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Date: 2022-08-10

Attendees

Present: Zheng xu, Naomi, AvneeshSingh, Gautier, Bill Kasdorf, Paul belfanti, Michelle, Tzviya, charlesn

Regrets:

Guests:

Chair: Zheng xu

Scribe(s): GeorgeK

Content:

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eorgeK: For today,recap of last meeting and talk about use cases, Education task force.

eorgeK: The Doodle pole for the Education task force was a mistake. You have to advance it to september to insert your availability..

eorgeK: AI from last time: Education task force kickoff.

eorgeK: AI update tne entry point for the Publishing CG..

See github issue publishingcg#39.

eorgeK: Issue 39: Retailers gard against fraudlent versions. forward. of their titles being sold through other sites..

Naiomi: This is with big retailers, like Amazon..

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Naomi Kennedy: I am a developer andhaving a security key will not work. We have to be able to idenify duplicate content..

eorgeK: A legitimate is submitted, then another title is submitted with a minor change in the title, and it is not flagged as the identical title..

eorgeK: I do not have a solution. Amazon cannot identify the fradualent title..

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eorgeK: Block chain was suggested, but that failed. It is less about a DRM total prevention and more about helping retailers to identify fraud..

eorgeK: We have to help retailers manage the self publishing environment. I am speaking for myself, not PRH..

eorgeK: The fradulent title is sold at a dollar cheaper and that sales increases and it climbs above the the original title..

Bill: This gets misnamed as piracy, but counterfitting is a better word..

Naomi Kennedy: Bootleged version is another term..

Bill: Does it make sence for the CG to formally attack this issue?.

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Naomi Kennedy: I cannot lead it, but can participate..

Bill: We could recruit from outside the CG to chair this TF..

Naomi Kennedy: We need retailer involvement..

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vneeshSingh: +1 it is esentail to have retailers like Amazon in this task force.

See github issue publishingcg#38.

eorgeK: This is a test about splitting EPUBs..

eorgeK: Are there any use cases?.

heng xu: GeorgeK: During work on narration for text book I have encountered some book as large as a few GB and we had to split it to separate CDs.

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heng xu: … I believe some retailer has size limitation for distribution.

heng xu: Naomi_: everything larger than 1GB will likely being kicked out from CMS.

George Kerscher: Large textbooks were very large and were split over several CDs..

heng xu: … some unix platform can not accept maybe 2GB book.

heng xu: … and you can not really sell them. In reality anything larger than 750 MB will likely have issue.

heng xu: charlesn: is there a general rule for epub file size?.

heng xu: Naomi_: 750 MB is a practical size rather than spec.

Naomi Kennedy: Individual distribution is fine, but through retailers there are serious problems. 750mb seems to be a limit. Anything over that gets stuck in Amazon’s ingestion system..

eorgeK: Anything over the 750 mb limit requires hand holding to go through their system..

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Jeff Jaffe: Comics may have issues with limitations on size as well..

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heng xu: GeorgeK: DAISY was able to accept huge epub file so it has to be converted.

George Kerscher: DAISY does have a title available that could be used for stress testing..

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Avneesh Singh: Technically, it can be done, but is the responsibility on the publisher? The retailer may not have rights to split a title..

Naomi Kennedy: It is not about making three separate EPUBtitles, but how to split a title over three zip files. It needs to be seemless to the end user..

Jeff Jaffe: zip does not recognize how three separate ziples relate to each other..

vneeshSingh: Thanks this makes it more clear..

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Naomi Kennedy: Not all ebooks are trade. When you get to the use case where people are creating separate EPUB that are related to each other..

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Naomi Kennedy: As video gets more common and as images get larger, this problem will not go away.s.

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Michelle: From the library perspective, books that have audio and text are a problem..

eorgeK: I am not talking about something like Libby, but academic collections that is ingested. We are not talking about the seemless experience from a public library, but the academic where the content is ingested in different places..

Tzviya Siegman: We are not talking about we are or not doing now, but we want to talk about what we want to do..

eorgeK: We need to open our minds and why we do not do this or that..

Michelle: The e Reader needs to be updated to support the content..

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Paul: Education TF update.

eorgeK: As mentioned, we have set up a Doodle pole and scroll to September to fill out your availability..

eorgeK: We will be setting up use cases. Purpose of the TF is to get feedback on what you want to do and what are the blockers. If there are solutions we can let people know or try to address the issue. So we are just getting started..

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eorgeK: There is a Ed Tech group that has meet and draws about 100 people..

vneeshSingh: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/a11y-crosswalk-MARC/index.html.

Avneesh Singh: Accessibility TF update..

eorgeK: Crosswalk to MARC is moving forward. It is open for review and on GitHub. We want people to provide feedback..

See github issue epub-specs#2116.

vneeshSingh: https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/.

eorgeK: We are making a recommendation the EPUB WG that the Accessibility Summary would be a recommendation (should) and not a requirement (must)..

eorgeK: All are going on in parallel..

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akim: As of this point the attendees have been Naomi_, AvneeshSingh, gautier, Bill_Kasdorf_, paul_belfanti_, Michelle_, tzviya, charlesn.

akim: I am happy to have been of service, zheng_xu; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye.

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