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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 26th of August 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. jonathantneal
    03:43
    I moved the markup pattern results to https://jonathantneal.github.io/rat/
  2. MichielBijl
    08:29
    Very nice!
  3. Heydon
    12:43
    GODDAMMIT. I'm testing with JAWS in a VM and half the time is does/announces one thing and half the time another. Sometimes my down arrow doesn't do as it's supposed to; sometimes it does (focuses the next thing). SOmetimes when it focuses the next thing it announces its text node. Sometimes it says "blank". I am getting really frustrated. Thoughts?
  4. Heydon
    12:43
    I feel as though it's just my VM being mega slow. These intermittent problems are really hard to diagnose :(
  5. stevefaulkner
    14:14

    A11ySlackers chat log 25th August 2015 http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/2015/08/2015-08-25.html

  6. stevefaulkner
    14:15
    @Heydon difficult to know, without details browser , content etc
  7. Heydon
    14:17
    Firefox, JAWS, jQueryUI autocomplete (sorry!) https://jqueryui.com/autocomplete/
  8. zakim-robot
    14:26
    [Karl Groves, a11y] @heydon I frequently have issues with slow VM causing weirdness while testing.
  9. stevefaulkner
    14:36
    @Heydon no worries can't test anyway as in wilds of espana 😜
  10. garcialo
    14:44
    @stevefaulkner slacker
  11. Heydon
    14:56
    @stevefaulkner No JAWS is Espana? I might move.
  12. Heydon
    14:57
    @Karl Glad it's not just me. The trouble is, it keeps making me doubt my decisions :(
  13. zakim-robot
    14:58
    [Karl Groves, a11y] @heydon you might want to allocate more memory to the VM and shut down anything that isn’t critical for testing.
  14. zakim-robot
    14:59
    [Karl Groves, a11y] I know - it seems obvious, but I have to remind myself to do it
  15. jonathantneal
    15:07
    Publishing RAT, thanks for the help getting this setup. It includes "how to” setup AT testing section — https://twitter.com/jon_neal/status/636555118545125376
  16. Heydon
    15:56
    @jonathantneal Does aria-hidden="nonsense" with a tick mean it registers as true or false?
  17. jonathantneal
    15:58
    It is read. The first table provides a key as to whether a markup pattern should be readable and/or visible.
  18. Heydon
    16:00
    @jonathantneal The content of the subtree is read?
  19. jonathantneal
    16:00
    Yes.
  20. Heydon
    16:07
    @jonathantneal Okay, thanks
  21. jonathantneal
    16:23
    If flex is used to re-order content, do screen readers honor the flex order, or the DOM order?
  22. Heydon
    16:25
    @jonathantneal DOM order in my experience. It should be DOM order, certainly.
  23. jonathantneal
    16:26
    Thanks, where does one divine that DOM ordering should always take precedence over CSS “visual” re-ordering?
  24. fstorr
    16:44
    @LjWatson Hi. I'm really interested in your comment about sighted users with cognitive impairments using screen readers. I can't find anything useful that talks about that online—do you have any resources you could point me at?
  25. zakim-robot
    17:12
    [Cordelia McGee-Tubb, a11y] @fstorr: check out @jamieknight’s “cognitive accessibility 101” post, particularly the part about using voiceover: http://jkg3.com/Journal/cognitive-accessibility-101-part-2-how-it-effects-me-the-tools-i-use
  26. zakim-robot
    17:14
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] Hello :)
  27. zakim-robot
    17:14
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] Happy to answer any questions if that would help.
  28. zakim-robot
    17:14
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] is woooooshing along on a train so may be slow to reply
  29. rodneyrehm
    17:19
    how would a screen-reader react to <small title=“some explanation”>E</small> react?
  30. zakim-robot
    17:19
    [Francis Storr, a11y] @cordelia @jamieknight thanks so much for this. That’s really interesting. If I have any questions, I’ll ask away :simple_smile:
  31. rodneyrehm
    17:19
    the content of <small> is irrelevant, the relevant info is in the title attribute. is there a better way to achieve that?
  32. zakim-robot
    17:22
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] ABBR?
  33. zakim-robot
    17:22
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] Title attribute is mostly ignored I believe.
  34. zakim-robot
    17:23
    [Jamie Knight, a11y] @fstorr: ace :)
  35. rodneyrehm
    17:56
    not sure <abbr> is appropriate - we’re talking about footnotes
  36. powrsurg
    19:02
    Is there a way to make a screen reader read "10" as "ten" and not "one zero"?
  37. zakim-robot
    19:15
    [Cordelia McGee-Tubb, a11y] which screenreader?
  38. zakim-robot
    19:16
    [Cordelia McGee-Tubb, a11y] @powrsurg, usually you can configure that in the screenreader settings. In VoiceOver Utility on Mac for example, you can select “Verbosity”, “Text” and then modify the “Read numbers as:” field to read them as words instead of digits.
  39. powrsurg
    19:18
    I experienced that in NVDA in Firefox on Windows 7, and then last night I did a quick/initial testing of VoiceOver in Safari on a Mac for the first time and saw it was doing that.
  40. powrsurg
    19:21
    VoiceOver was making me sad. It seemed that it was reading both the <title> and <text> of sub graphs within a graph of an SVG file (I think, I need to test more thoroughly). NVDA only reads the initial <title> for an SVG file, and then reads just the <text> within