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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 14th of March 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 04:34
    [kevinchao89] Untitled
  2. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 04:48
    [garcialo] @kevinchao89: Yes, it's not the most pleasant experience.
  3. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 04:48
    [garcialo] Haven't tried it on Android, but it's pretty good on iOS.
  4. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 05:49
    [kevinchao89] @garcialo: I was trying to post a message, not upload a file using web.
  5. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 05:50
    [garcialo] Yeah, it's not that great. Same with the desktop client.
  6. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 05:54
    [kevinchao89] Only way I can access Slack is iOS
  7. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 05:54
    [garcialo] yeah, that's currently the most accessible
  8. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 05:56
    [garcialo] Still has some issues, but it's definitely usable.
  9. StommePoes
    Mar 14 12:20
    @lozandier only if the SR passes the keystrokes on
  10. StommePoes
    Mar 14 12:21
    I have no problems writing normal vanilla JS to deal with all of 3 keystrokes, some whole library isn't necessary... but if the SR never passes the keystrokes onto the JS, it doesn't matter either way.
  11. StommePoes
    Mar 14 12:21
    So to force that, you can use role-application, but now you've got 2 problems.
  12. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 16:05
    [skerrvy] there's a good writeup of slack's accessibility limitations (and how some mobile devices can improve it) by Marco Zehe: https://www.marcozehe.de/2016/01/16/status-of-the-accessibility-of-slack/
  13. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 16:25
    [deborah_kaplan] i keep meaning to make a blog post of the bug report I sent slack vis a vis keyboard accessibility (spoiler alert: there is none).
  14. garcialo
    Mar 14 17:10
    I'm pretty sure we've made them quite aware of the issues they have. =)
  15. jnurthen
    Mar 14 17:10
    they have been looking for an accessibility PM for a long time
  16. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 18:07
    If they'd allow remote working they'd have filled it by now…
  17. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 18:08
    [cordelia] Are they still looking?
  18. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 18:08
    Hey Luis, you want to move to SF, Slack is there ;)
  19. jnurthen
    Mar 14 18:08
    they mentioned it at the meetup last week again
  20. jkva
    Mar 14 18:09
    Given the product they make, you'd think remote working wouldn't be a problem. Ironic.
  21. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 18:14
    [cordelia] Honestly, I don’t blame them for wanting someone local to start out with. When you’re just embarking on making something accessible, it really helps to sit down with people and walk through screenreader demos, keyboard flows, etc. in person. And I’ve found there are lots of feature areas that need accessibility help that I wouldn’t have known about if not for hallway conversations.
  22. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 18:17
    [cordelia] It’s not essential, but I can see how it would accelerate their a11y progress to have someone local to get things started.
  23. jnurthen
    Mar 14 18:28
    but they have been waiting for that local person for 6 months now....
  24. jnurthen
    Mar 14 18:28
    ;)
  25. powrsurg
    Mar 14 18:28
    remember in the 90's when we thought the internet would mean that we could get the best and brightest from any place in the world?
  26. powrsurg
    Mar 14 18:29
    we also thought VR was going to be a thing ... and well, now it's coming back. Maybe real remote working will pick up at some point
  27. metzessible
    Mar 14 20:38
    Does anybody have a link to an actual official definition of what a complex table is? All I can find is SME explanations of what they're considered to be, and there's no clear agreement of an actual definition.
  28. garcialo
    Mar 14 20:39
    This doesn't look like an explicit definition statement, but it does seem to communicate what is considered complex. https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F90.html
  29. jnurthen
    Mar 14 20:41
    not sure there is an official definition.
  30. jnurthen
    Mar 14 20:41
    https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/tables/multi-level/ has some good stuff though
  31. metzessible
    Mar 14 20:43
    Unfortunately, techniques aren't normative. Hard to build requirements off of suggestions.
  32. metzessible
    Mar 14 20:48
    The problem I'm having is that several I've come across explain them as tables with cells associated to multiple column or row headers, yet the interpretation on when this constitutes a complex table differs greatly.
  33. garcialo
    Mar 14 20:49
    gotcha
  34. metzessible
    Mar 14 20:52
    For example, what are your opinions on tables with a single row of headers with a single column of headers. Is this considered "complex"? I'm just curious. I would argue that these are not considered complex, but I've seen some suggestions that this is actually the case of a complex table because the cells could theoretically be associated to both the headers in the row as well as those in the column.
  35. garcialo
    Mar 14 20:55
    I would say that 3 cases fit into non-complex; one column header row; one row header column; the previous two smashed together
  36. garcialo
    Mar 14 20:55
    I think the multiple of a type of header row/column make something complex
  37. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 20:58
    [skerrvy] the W3 seems to imply that more than 2 axes equals a complex table. https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ComplexTables (although I haven't read through all their examples)
  38. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:03
    my interpreation is whenever there is a colspan or rowspan in the "body" of the table
  39. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:08
    when I did insurance tables, I considered them complex
  40. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:09
    The closest definition I got from someone once was "a complex table is a table so shitty, it shouldn't have been 1 table but multiple"
  41. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:09
    like when I need a thead in the middle of a table, or two rows of thead headings (where there's main groupings and sub-groupings)
  42. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:34
    That W3C wiki article has a lot of dead links unfortunately, and the tables are too complex for my example. The tables I'm thinking of are basically victims of overthinking in my opinion. @StommePoes, your definition would be pretty much every table in my opinion. I hate tables.
  43. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:35
    good thing you don't work for a DB company :)
  44. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:42
    [garcialo] Ugh yeah, that would be the worst
  45. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:44
    DB?
  46. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:44
    Database - nothing but a bunch of tables
  47. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:46
    Right right. Usually consider DB refers to... something else.
  48. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:47
    [garcialo] Das Boot?
  49. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:49
    Decibel?
  50. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:49
    Deutsche-Bahn?
  51. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:50
    [karlgroves] Deutsche Bahn
  52. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:50
    [karlgroves] dammit
  53. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:50
    @metzessible what does it usually refer to?
  54. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:52
    I thought "database" so I haz no ideas
  55. jkva
    Mar 14 21:53
    \o/
  56. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:54
    Dubbel... bass
  57. jkva
    Mar 14 21:54
    Dirt Bike
  58. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:54
    @jnurthen The term I use throughout the day whilst being forced to work in Word. As in What douchebaggery is this shite?
  59. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:54
    oh
  60. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    oh no, you never shorten that to db...
  61. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    it gets it power from the full spelling
  62. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    like this
  63. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    "that code is a douchcanoe filled with shitweasels"
  64. jkva
    Mar 14 21:55
    stop riling my wife up guys
  65. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    that whole phrase is just dripping with Power Words
  66. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    shortening them is like saying "heck"
  67. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    and "dang"
  68. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:55
    it's just... no point.
  69. jnurthen
    Mar 14 21:56
    dang it
  70. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:56
    oh gosh darn
  71. jkva
    Mar 14 21:56
    golly gosh gee-whiz mister
  72. vdurhhe
    Mar 14 21:56
    gee whillickers
  73. jkva
    Mar 14 21:56
    :D
  74. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:57

    neat.

    I'll remember that.

  75. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:57
    why gee mister, that's just swell.
  76. jkva
    Mar 14 21:57
    who you callin swell
  77. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:57
    Swell? Swell? You callin' me swell?
  78. vdurhhe
    Mar 14 21:57
    bees knees
  79. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:57
    [karlgroves] Dopplebock
  80. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:57
    What am I, some bloated bird here for your amusement?? You calling me SWELL??
  81. metzessible
    Mar 14 21:58
    Swell, not swolen.
  82. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 21:58
    [karlgroves] SWOLE
  83. jkva
    Mar 14 21:58
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5K1yme-SI2g/maxresdefault.jpg
  84. jkva
    Mar 14 21:58
    Praise Brodin
  85. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:58
    No no Pesto I din't mean it like that, I just meant, you know, that your a great guy
  86. vdurhhe
    Mar 14 21:58
    from WWII British "tickety boo"
  87. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:58
    Great? You mean big? You think I'm fat? Do I look fat to you??? I'll teach ya a lesson
  88. vdurhhe
    Mar 14 21:59
    lol
  89. StommePoes
    Mar 14 21:59
    Sorry guys I have the GoodFeathers in my head
  90. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:00
    with the Joe Pesci bird beating up the irish-kid bird
  91. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:00
    Didn't mean to spin y'all into a kerfuffle.
  92. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:00
    Got your panties in a knot
  93. jkva
    Mar 14 22:00
    Right-o, stiff upper lip and all that
  94. jkva
    Mar 14 22:01
    Being a Swamp German, my British idioms are sub-par :-/
  95. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:01
    No need to take this conversation below the belt.
  96. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:01
    [garcialo] Too late, we're all kerfuffed
  97. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:03
    [karlgroves] Swamp German! lol
  98. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:04
    [karlgroves] I’ve never heard that http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Swamp+German
  99. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:04
    yeah, some of them speak "Dits"
  100. jkva
    Mar 14 22:04
    Diets!
  101. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diets
  102. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:05
    [karlgroves] Apparently Käseköpfe is a thing, too?
  103. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    cheese head?
  104. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    but def german
  105. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    or at least, not dutch
  106. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    So it must not mean people from Wisconsin.
  107. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:05
    or Green Bay fans
  108. jkva
    Mar 14 22:06
    Yeah but köpfekäse is something else entirely
  109. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:06
    The Dutch are pretty cheesy tho
  110. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:07

    [karlgroves] > Yeah but köpfekäse is something else entirely

    Not sure if this is head cheese as in the food… or something I probably don’t want to know about

  111. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:08
    Apparently it means something pretty ew, I just learned
  112. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:09
    [karlgroves] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese
  113. jkva
    Mar 14 22:10
    Honestly wonder if that's any good - have never head (heh) it
  114. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:11
    Really? Pretty common in france?
  115. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:11
    [karlgroves] Apparently it is preskop in Dutch?
  116. jkva
    Mar 14 22:12
    Hoofdkaas
  117. jkva
    Mar 14 22:12
    Or Balkenbrij, which I think has brain in it
  118. jkva
    Mar 14 22:12
    Having been raised by a vegetarian mother, I am woefully uneducated in that sector
  119. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:12
    i'm sorry
  120. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:12
    [karlgroves] I’d try it.
  121. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:13
    jkva was amazed when the Plone guys at Europython in Florence knew of this Italian meat restaurant... with meat that just melted on your tongue
  122. jkva
    Mar 14 22:13
    I remember having my first steak at ±18yo, thinking 'is this the big deal'
  123. jkva
    Mar 14 22:13
    then I had a BISTECA and... oh lord
  124. jkva
    Mar 14 22:13
    I need a few minutes
  125. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:13
    Plone was good for something at least
  126. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:13
    our group had this Belgian who knew where the Plone guys were going, and with his nose he lead the way through twisty streets to some small restaurant
  127. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:13
    luckily we had an Italian with us to translate
  128. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:14
    amazing international-python-weirdness experience
  129. jkva
    Mar 14 22:14
    Honestly it was then, I realized why steak had the reputation it did
  130. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:14
    [karlgroves] Bisteca - that’s a T-bone, right?
  131. jkva
    Mar 14 22:15
    I don't know - it was delicious
  132. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:15
    It was some hunk of meat
  133. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:15
    melty hunk of meat
  134. jkva
    Mar 14 22:15
    Cut off the hunk right in front of you
  135. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:15
    I hadn't ordered it but tried if from others' plates
  136. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:15
    little old Italian guy
  137. jkva
    Mar 14 22:15
    The cars are shit, but the steaks, oh my
  138. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:15
    if anyone here ever ends up in florence and there's a Python-something going on, pretend you love Plone and taste this for yourself, it's worth it
  139. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:16
    (plone-- python's first CMS. and it hasn't died yet, strangely)
  140. jkva
    Mar 14 22:16
    That reminds me, in San Diego I'll have to try something local
  141. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:16
    fish tacos
  142. jkva
    Mar 14 22:17
    You had them?
  143. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:17
    Last year Gonz thought about crossing the border to find weed, but I'm worried enough about US border control that I don't dare
  144. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:17
    [karlgroves] There’s great mexican food in San Diego
  145. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:17
    cause if I ever go to Tijuana I'm getting a velvety Elvis with his emotion running down his cheek
  146. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:17
    if you can't find that in California you are not trying hard enough
  147. jkva
    Mar 14 22:17
    You'd think of all states, Cali would have legal weed
  148. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:17
    gawd I miss mexican food
  149. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:18
    well, I miss the peasant stuff I ate at lunch with my mom and her co-workers
  150. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:18
    so, tortillas made of corn, not flour
  151. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:18
    i went to TJ on Friday night last year. Ate some great stuff
  152. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:18
    and you put a little itty bit of stuff in them, and then eat like a bazillion of them
  153. jkva
    Mar 14 22:18
    I wouldn't mind seeing TJ, it's going back into the US that would concern me
  154. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:18

    [karlgroves] > You'd think of all states, Cali would have legal weed

    It does.You just have to pretend that you have a qualifying ailment to get your card.

  155. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    aw, medical marijuana
  156. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    meh
  157. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    we have enough stinky stuff right here
  158. jkva
    Mar 14 22:19
    Having been detained before, I am nervous at border customs
  159. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    tourists stink everywhere
  160. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    yeah how's getting back?
  161. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    I have two passports but I'm scared to tell the US that
  162. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    so far I just act like I only have one
  163. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:19
    I have global entry so coming back over the border is easy but obviously I have nothing dodgy on me
  164. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:19
    no need to try to explain to a $12/hour TSA person how dual citizenship works
  165. jkva
    Mar 14 22:19
    "You again boy? We told you to not come back, Bubba's gonna learn you now boy"
  166. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:20
    "Put some ass into it, Bubba!"
  167. jkva @jkva shudders
  168. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:20
    (the above was a real quote jkva actually heard in Michigan once... bubba was changing a tire)
  169. jkva
    Mar 14 22:20
    The things I learn
  170. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:21
    bubba was a nice guy
  171. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:21
    All the Americans were.
  172. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:22
    Except the TSA.
  173. jkva
    Mar 14 22:22
    Is there a pre-CSUN party somewhere BTW? @StommePoes, @MichielBijl, @MarcoZehe and $self are coming in next Sat
  174. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:22
    You guys heard Rachel Nabors was denied entry into the UK when she tried to go there to give a talk + workshop for SmashingConf?
  175. jkva
    Mar 14 22:22
    I think we're having beer w/ Jason Kiss & co. somewhere
  176. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:22
    jason Kiss, Eric Wright are drinking sunday somewhere
  177. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:23
    Crickets in TJ
  178. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:23
    Marco's not coming in until really late Sat.
  179. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:23
    fried grasshoppers
  180. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:23
    yep - yummy
  181. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:23
    good bar snack
  182. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:23
    I haven't had bugs yet
  183. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:23
    but I would if they're done good
  184. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:23
    you had that in TJ?
  185. jkva
    Mar 14 22:23
    This message was deleted
  186. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:23
    [karlgroves] I get in around noon on Sunday
  187. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:23
    yep
  188. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:24
    Karl well Eric won't get to his hotel yet either so you can also bring your stuff and have a drink
  189. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:24
    dunno where yet.
  190. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:24
    I
  191. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:24
    I'm trying to find hours with no interesting talks so I can do Booth babe work for Pearson but so far, every hour has something
  192. jkva
    Mar 14 22:25
    Yeah, the tradeoffs are the worst
  193. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:25
    [karlgroves] I traditionally go down to the gaslamp district and have sushi
  194. jkva
    Mar 14 22:25
    I'm actually surprised that a huge conf like this doesn't record everything - at least it doesn't seem to be the case
  195. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:25
    Rachel Nabors... You mean the cartoonist?
  196. jkva
    Mar 14 22:26
    https://twitter.com/rachelnabors
  197. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:26
    some yummy tacos in TJ
  198. jkva
    Mar 14 22:27
    woah!
  199. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:27
    That is Tacos in TJ late at night.
  200. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:28
    Yeah, apparently even tho she read the page on visas and smashingconf had a page on visas, because she's self-employed I guess they considered her talk as "work" so she was supposed to get a work visa? so they locked her in a cell without communication for 6 hours and interogated her as if she were looking to sneak into the UK or something and then just sent her back to JFK with no reasonable way home to Portland or wherever
  201. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:28
    Wow those are meaty tacos
  202. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:28
    the wraps/tacos I had as a kid were mostly filler plants
  203. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:29
    @StommePoes it sucks but that is exactly what the US would have done for someone coming the other way. The whole visa thing sucks
  204. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:30
    I always have to be careful even going to canada to use the phrase "meetings" not "training" as "training" raises flags that it is paid work
  205. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:30
    yeah visa's were a problem when my friend Jitendra tried to come to Amsterdam for an interview with Booking
  206. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:30
    only because he came from India
  207. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:30
    ah good tip
  208. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:30
    jkva's had some... experiences with the TSA
  209. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:30
    all stupid stuff
  210. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:30
    India is a pain the other way too..... invite letters etc. and lots of beurocracy
  211. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:31
    once we went to New Zealand and made the mistake of flying via the US
  212. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:31
    never again
  213. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:31
    TSA and CBP are different
  214. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:32
    so the girl working for KLM said, for the automatic checkin where you could only choose a US state "oh just choose the first one" (alaska) so we end up in San Fransisco trying to get a connecting flight to NZ and the TSA are all asking a bazillion questions about alaska
  215. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:32
    we have had very interesting experiences with german airport security - one took 2 hours to be convinced that my colleagues braille display was ok
  216. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:32
    was even made by a german company
  217. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:32
    oooh yeah well those do look pretty funky if you haven't seen one before
  218. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:32
    i blame KLM then :)
  219. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:32
    the HIMS notetaker too-- I saw one for the first time when working remotely from an office FirmGround.nl
  220. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:33
    a girl I didn't know showed up, hooked it up to her laptop and went on... it was pretty cool because I'd only seen Tommy Edison talking about the old ones that clacked. This one was all plastic and quiet
  221. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:33
    Yeah KLM messed up but that's because they actually only had anything to do with the first flight
  222. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:33
    So of course their system couldn't check you in
  223. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    so we should have chosen CA since we landed in San Fransisco
  224. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:34
    i always avoid connecting in the US if I can
  225. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    KLM had nothing to do with the next flight.
  226. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    Yeah we will too
  227. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    Next time, if next time happens, will be via Asia
  228. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    I'll risk bird flu and tasty, tasty Singapore street food
  229. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:34
    nom
  230. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:35
    i even prefer heathrow to connecting in the US
  231. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:35
    :)
  232. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:35
    oh gawd
  233. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:35
    that's bad
  234. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:35
    also charles de gaulle sucks
  235. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:35
    you always come out of security to connect to a flight
  236. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:35
    I avoid at all cost
  237. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:35
    or CDG
  238. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:35
    oh yeah
  239. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:35
    you beat me to it
  240. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:36
    Heathrow is awful
  241. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    hate that. Guess it would cost them too much to rejigger that airport
  242. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:36
    last time i connected there i had to take a bus, a train and walk about a mile - with a 4 year old in tow
  243. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:36
    Gatwick is pretty decent.
  244. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    yeah so thats' why @jnurthen surprised me
  245. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    heathrow... damn
  246. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    yeah
  247. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    Gatwick++
  248. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:36
    But nothing beats Schiphol security wise.
  249. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    oh?
  250. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:36
    Always through it in about 5-10 minutes.
  251. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    They don't seem all that super awesome secure, just... normal
  252. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    oh
  253. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    yeah
  254. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:36
    they're very fast
  255. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:37
    now they have these new scanners that just don't mess with anything
  256. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:37
    fast
  257. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:37
    It's just the passport check when you get back that sucks.
  258. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:37
    i like SIN for security. At the gate and lots of staff
  259. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:37
    Michiel: when you go to the US, the US demands you're there Much Much earlier than normal
  260. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    it's not schiphol who demands
  261. jkva
    Mar 14 22:38
    Michiel, bro I dunno man, USA flights, they done grill you man, I tells ya
  262. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    the US wants to run your name through a check after you've checked in
  263. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    so they want an hour longer than any other country
  264. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:38
    but you already have that evisa thing right?
  265. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    jnurthen SIN== singapore?
  266. jkva
    Mar 14 22:38
    @jnurthen yeah
  267. jkva
    Mar 14 22:38
    esta
  268. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    yeah but doesn't matter, even if you're US Person
  269. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:38
    yeah - singapore
  270. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    they stil want you there like 3 hours before
  271. jkva
    Mar 14 22:38
    You get interviewed @ schiphol, etc
  272. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:38
    now, I've done it in 2
  273. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:38
    i never do ;)
  274. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    but I don't like chancing it
  275. jkva
    Mar 14 22:39
    I'd rather have more time, get a coffee, read a book
  276. jkva
    Mar 14 22:39
    Than having to hurry
  277. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    I sometimes get interviewed
  278. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:39
    oh mne too
  279. jkva
    Mar 14 22:39
    But that's me
  280. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    sometimes at schiphol it's a quick set of questions
  281. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:39
    i hate rushing at airports - but i also hate hanging around for too long
  282. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    but by then, the US has already scanned your name
  283. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    I watch the TVs
  284. jkva
    Mar 14 22:39
    First time I went to the US, my flight was delayed by 5 hours :P
  285. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:39
    they have CNN with live captioning
  286. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:40
    :(
  287. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:40
    I get to see the quick type mistakes
  288. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:40
    [jkiss] Sounds like y’all might be making dinner plans for Sunday? If so, please share the location. Eric Wright and I do have informal plans for drinks, but we’ll also need to eat. My flight lands in SD at 4:45pm, but I will have cleared customs in SF (with my diplomatic visa!) nice and quickly already. So I might make it to hotel around 6pm.
  289. jkva
    Mar 14 22:40

    @StommePoes said "You sure you want to come to Michigan in February? It snows here"

    "Yeah sure, how bad can it get"

    ...I didn't even bring gloves

  290. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:40
    Jason is that SUN?
  291. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:40
    that your flight lands
  292. jnurthen @jnurthen do folks have the google invite?
  293. jkva
    Mar 14 22:40
    I got stuck in Ohio for a day, all snowed in
  294. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:40
    My work has something google
  295. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:41
    I dunno all the weird stuff google has
  296. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:41
    [jkiss] yep, Sunday
  297. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:41
    but if having a gmail address has it, then I has it
  298. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:41
    ok, let's get foods
  299. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:41
    no idea where but SD is made for tourists so there's plenty of places
  300. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:41
    and I think Eric has some ideas
  301. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:42
    [jkiss] sweet.
  302. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:42
    I heard Steve Buell is coming thanks to Eric, will he be in that early?
  303. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:42
    sweet AS
  304. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:42
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA
  305. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:42
    [jkiss] yiss, I meant sweet as. That’s awesome about Steve. Haven’t seen him since we worked together for Can govt before I moved to Zealandia.
  306. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:43
    [jkiss] I’m not clicking on that youtube link if it’s the beached as whale video (again).
  307. jkva
    Mar 14 22:43
    aww bru!
  308. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:43
    [jkiss] chur.
  309. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:44
    Videos not available in my country.
  310. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:44
    And now it won't go away.
  311. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:44
    It's like an annoying gif.
  312. jkva
    Mar 14 22:44
    sheesh
  313. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:45
    haha
  314. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:45
    Ah'm beached-as, brew! Havva chop mate! Ah can't brew, I only eat PLINKTON
  315. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:45
    Irony.
  316. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:45
    yes it's the beached-as whale
  317. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 22:46
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWirGxV7Q8
  318. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:46
    [nschonni] @StommePoes Steve is in at 6AM on the 20th
  319. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:46
    @jkva @stommepoes yeah I might crash at a friends on Friday. Or do the “I have no life and will sleep at the airport” thing
  320. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 22:46
    If we're sharing Kiwiana.
  321. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:46
    ha I love that one too
  322. jkva
    Mar 14 22:46
    I can't eat your ghost chups!
  323. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 22:46
    lol
  324. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:46
    SPOONHEAD
  325. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:47
    @nschonni thanks
  326. jkva
    Mar 14 22:48
    @MichielBijl check if you can check in online? Then you'd only have to drop off your luggage at the automatic dropoff
  327. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:49
    I'm guessing I can check in only
  328. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:49
    Or is that something the US doesn't like you to do :P
  329. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:49
    NO EASY BOARDING FOR YOU MR. BIJL!
  330. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:50

    Hrm. Back to Word for me for a bit...

    https://youtu.be/tnWP2Emps1M

  331. jkva
    Mar 14 22:50
    I'm not sure... I've always used the kiosks at Schiphol (5 mins of work)
  332. jkva
    Mar 14 22:50
    That looks like Cyriak
  333. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:50
    It is.
  334. jkva
    Mar 14 22:50
    Nice, havenn't seen that one
  335. jkva
    Mar 14 22:50
    gawd
  336. MichielBijl @MichielBijl loves boarding passes in the passbook app
  337. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:51
    Not sure KLM does those
  338. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:51
    Usually fly with BA.
  339. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:53
    Nice, KLM app doesn't have a “forgot password” thingy…
  340. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:53
    OMG he has one of accessibears!!
  341. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:53
    [nschonni] http://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry is good if you qualify
  342. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:54
    I've avoided that so far but if I pay the 2k+ dollars to get rid of 'merican-ness I may apply for it
  343. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:55
    they only ask for your first-born and all genetic info in exchange for less BS at the border....
  344. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:55
    [nschonni] I payed my $50, but have to wait 4 months for the interview now :S
  345. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:55
    @jkva check in opens in three days.
  346. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:55
    @metzessible: who has accessibears?!
  347. jkva
    Mar 14 22:55
    Sounds good
  348. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:56
    Nick they take a piece of your soul
  349. jnurthen
    Mar 14 22:56
    $50? I thought it was $100?
  350. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:56
    Michiel you have accessibears
  351. StommePoes
    Mar 14 22:56
    oh I want your bear on a t-shirt
  352. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:56
    :D
  353. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 22:56
    [nschonni] Canadian/US NEXUS version is only 50
  354. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:56
    I sort of forgot that we're flying this Saturday…
  355. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:56
    It's all going to quick!
  356. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 22:57
    Rewind! Go back!
  357. jkva
    Mar 14 22:57
    Yeah I'm not mentally ready at all
  358. jkva
    Mar 14 22:57
    One is never ready for CSUN
  359. jkva
    Mar 14 22:58
    https://vimeo.com/158875788
  360. metzessible
    Mar 14 22:59
    @MichielBijl Cyriak!
  361. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:00
    cyriak++
  362. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:00
    guy needs more cat videos tho
  363. metzessible
    Mar 14 23:02
    more cat videos?
  364. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:02
    yeha he uses his own cats for a lot of things
  365. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:03
    cyriak is too disturbing for me…
  366. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:03
    don't drink before watching
  367. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:03
    it's like kids smoking weed and then watching Pink Floyd's The Wall and thinking it's trippier than it really is
  368. metzessible
    Mar 14 23:05
    Oh, you mean Enhancement Smokers?
    https://youtu.be/hkA9rz-1YoA
  369. MichielBijl @MichielBijl is on his third glass of whisky
  370. jkva
    Mar 14 23:05
    @MichielBijl Whatcha having
  371. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:05
    I like that Sleepaway Brew video though
  372. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:05
    JW DB
  373. jkva
    Mar 14 23:05
    ++
  374. jkva
    Mar 14 23:06
    Talisker Skye here
  375. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:06
    https://twitter.com/MathPascal/status/709479753045123072
  376. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:06
    Those were delicious <3
  377. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    DINOSAUR COOKIES??
  378. jkva
    Mar 14 23:07
    d'awww you dork
  379. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    You are bringing these, correct?
  380. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:07
    I know right <3
  381. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    I'm bringing panda pocky
  382. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    we can trade @ schiphol
  383. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:07
    No, sorry Mall, those are all gone :(
  384. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    aw
  385. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    AAAAWWWWW
  386. jkva
    Mar 14 23:07
    Relationships based around dinosaurs are fucking doomed
  387. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:07
    the fuck man, tempting me with dinocookies, the fuck
  388. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:07
    I'll ask if she can bring a new batch to Schiphol when we get back (she's picking me up)
  389. jkva
    Mar 14 23:08
    Airport kisses
  390. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:08
    @jkva, well, it's only part :P
  391. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:08
    And, no, I don't think so
  392. jkva
    Mar 14 23:08
    What are you going to bring her from SD
  393. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:08
    Yo slackers, on 🚽 Before zzzz's
  394. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:08
    They might go extinct at some point though…
  395. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:08
    Classy
  396. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:08
    Uhm, don't know, me I guess…
  397. jkva
    Mar 14 23:09
    @stevefaulkner do you have a plank toilet or a sploosh toilet
  398. StommePoes @StommePoes still wants Michiel to go through security in his dinosaur onesie, yet fears the TSA would lock him in a cell and do Rachel Nabors interrogations for 6 hours
  399. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:09
    Yeah not gonna do that on a flight to the US
  400. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:09
    Might do to UK though
  401. jkva
    Mar 14 23:09
    https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=660&q=dutch+toilet&oq=dutch+toilet&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i30l2j0i24l2.456.1830.0.2119.12.8.0.3.3.0.396.1099.3j3j0j1.7.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..2.10.1098.WKUS2cj0MbM#tbm=isch&q=dutch+toilet+inspection+shelf
  402. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:09
    I dunno if Steve knows what a Dutch toilet has
  403. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:09
    Dutch people... like to know their health
  404. jkva
    Mar 14 23:10
    The fact that google suggests "Dutch Toilet" --> "Dutch Toilet inspection shelf" is slightly worrisome
  405. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:10
    and they regularly inspect for... worms, I hear. Not that anyone over age 4 has worms, but... whatever
  406. jkva
    Mar 14 23:10
    Dutch masterrace! Seriously who wants the water to splash up what is wrong with you people
  407. zakim-robot
    Mar 14 23:10
    [jkiss] My sheep had worms. The paddock is their inspection shelf.
  408. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:10
    Well, you want to know what you produced right?
  409. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:10
    jason did your DUCKS have worms?
  410. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:11
    @jkva see for yourself http://inspiringtoilets.tumblr.com/post/23155825170/stevefaulkner
  411. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:11
    Michiel: I make poop, I'm ok with that
  412. jkva
    Mar 14 23:11
    What the fuck
  413. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:11
    No duck worms. They not even be laying yet.
  414. jkva
    Mar 14 23:11
    Ok Steve I cannot outweird you, you win
  415. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:12
    I'm still waiting for my interview with Inspiring Toilets
  416. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:12
    😜💩
  417. jnurthen
    Mar 14 23:12
    i'll raise you Japanese toilets over Dutch toilets
  418. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:12
    zomg yes
  419. jkva
    Mar 14 23:12
    Aren't these conversations archived?
  420. jnurthen
    Mar 14 23:13
    oh yes they are
  421. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:13
    makes the idea of wiping your butt with tree-paper seem... mideaval
  422. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:13
    Now I have flushed this discussion am off to bed 🖖
  423. jkva
    Mar 14 23:13
    Night-night!
  424. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:13
    poop long and prosper steve-O
  425. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:14
    @jkva http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/index.html
  426. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:14
    Good night Stephan
  427. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:14
    Steve'll be tweetin that one tomorrow
  428. stevefaulkner
    Mar 14 23:15
    Yeah sleep well all, especially "Mitch the younger" who needs his booty sleep
  429. jkva
    Mar 14 23:15
    heheh
  430. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:16
    in his dinosaur onesie
  431. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:16
    Oh hell yes.
  432. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:17
    So last Thursday, me and Mathilde watched A Land Before Time while eating dinosaur cookies in our dinosaur onesies; that was a pretty good birthday.
  433. jkva
    Mar 14 23:17
    But it's so sad
  434. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:17
    And on Saturday we went to the newly revised dinosaur section of the Natural History Museum in London :D
  435. jkva
    Mar 14 23:18
    Awww yeeea
  436. jkva
    Mar 14 23:18
    That stuff is great
  437. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:18
    Sure is :D
  438. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:18
    I liked your reaction to the onesie though, ha.
  439. jkva
    Mar 14 23:18
    Picture!
  440. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:19
    man somewhere i have a pic if Jkva next to Darwin there
  441. jkva
    Mar 14 23:20
    In her picture with the Dodo it's like " <- ...Dinner?"
  442. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:20
    I heard they were tasty
  443. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:20
    The World May Never Know
  444. jkva
    Mar 14 23:20
    Yeah, like those tortoises on the galapagos
  445. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:20
    (how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie-roll center of a Tootsie-Pop)
  446. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:20
    yeha they was supposed to be mega-tasty
  447. StommePoes @StommePoes wishes she could eat all the extinct tasty animals
  448. jkva
    Mar 14 23:20
    heaven in a half shell
  449. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:21
    Yeah, shame they never got any of those back to Europe :(
  450. jkva
    Mar 14 23:21
    It's like that species of Manitee that got hunted to extinction
  451. jkva
    Mar 14 23:23
    Ohhh the huge manitee
  452. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:25
    Hugh Manitee
  453. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:26
    Just uploaded this vid of the fly strike that one of my sheeps had a few weeks back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQM7iQNAmPE
  454. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:26
    there be maggots.
  455. jkva
    Mar 14 23:26
    lovely
  456. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:27
    poor sheeps
  457. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:27
    all maggotty
  458. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:28
    I hear the Sami kids just walk around the reindeer herds and eat those maggots as snacks
  459. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:28
    why can't New Zealanders do that?
  460. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:28
    I'm kinda proud I caught it early...saved the sheep's life I did.
  461. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:28
    oh?
  462. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:28
    do they burrow?
  463. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:28
    how did you notice?
  464. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:28
    they are solid, crunchy little fuckers, so prolly good eating.
  465. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:29
    not soft maggots?
  466. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:29
    They would have burrowed had they made it down to the skin. Then they eat away the flesh, and eventually it gets so bad you just kill the sheep to save it :(
  467. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:29
    aw
  468. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:29
    poor sheeps
  469. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:30
    Soft but solid. Takes some good force between the fingers to pop them.
  470. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    you could... fry them
  471. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    in a pan
  472. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    with butter
  473. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    like those ozzie kids did with the crabs
  474. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:30
    and garlic and onions.
  475. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    rice substitute for the power lifters
  476. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:30
    put them in tortillas
  477. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:30
    Am eating rice right now.
  478. jkva
    Mar 14 23:30
    This is not my wife guys, this is somebody else
  479. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:31
    honestly, I'm sure someone could make a business out of that right now. Save sheep, sell food, win-win
  480. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:31
    World famous in New Zealand
  481. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:31
    There's a craft maggot market in NZ for sure.
  482. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:31
    in potentia
  483. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:31
    Well, it'll become the new thing... IF it takes off in San Diego
  484. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:31
    cali sets everything
  485. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:32
    Even though Michigan has the Beer City of craft beers, it's california everyone thinks of for hipster brew
  486. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:32
    with colorado as a close second
  487. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:32
    home grown... no, farm-tended maggots
  488. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:32
    sheep-fed
  489. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:32
    ouch.
  490. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:32
    hand picked?
  491. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:33
    This farm's been in my family since [x] generations.
  492. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:33
    We been growing maggots since white people first shot away all the maori... something
  493. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:33
    the great annual maggot harvest. once a year.
  494. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:33
    comes with a native festival
  495. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:33
    and craft beer of course
  496. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:33
    nice.
  497. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:34
    or...
  498. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:34
    what did we have in Dunedin
  499. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:34
    Green man doesn't exist anymore
  500. jkva
    Mar 14 23:34
    Speight's
  501. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:34
    Edgerton's too I think
  502. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:34
    or was it Emmerson
  503. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:35
    We never touched that student-beer stuff
  504. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:37
    Emerson's. He's Deaf, too! It's good beer, but he sold to Lion.
  505. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:37
    aw
  506. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:37
    We never met him, but stood in line to try beer
  507. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:37
    some guy in line behind us compained it doesn't taste the same each time, but we took that to mean they're still hand-batching
  508. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:40
    Would have been then. A few great small real ales being made these days. Hand pulls (sans sparkler, of course) ftw.
  509. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:40
    And that's not (necessarily) a euphemism.
  510. jkva
    Mar 14 23:41
    Heading off to bed, cheers slackers
  511. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:41
    Yup, we gotta sleep
  512. jasonkiss
    Mar 14 23:41
    Off to a meeting myself. Sweet dreams.
  513. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:41
    I'm hoping to meet up with Bram Duvigneau and Iacobien Riezenbosch thursday, some day they gotta get to a CSUN. I'll say hi to them
  514. StommePoes
    Mar 14 23:42
    sweet as dreams
  515. MichielBijl
    Mar 14 23:43
    Good nights :)