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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 29th of March 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 06:12
    [jitendra] https://twitter.com/MSJE_AIC/status/714692894905483264
  2. jkva
    Mar 29 07:11
    Good moooooorning Slackers!
  3. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 07:15
    [jitendra] good morning
  4. stevefaulkner
    Mar 29 08:34
    Morn
  5. MichielBijl
    Mar 29 08:40
    Morning Steve
  6. jkva
    Mar 29 08:43
    Interesting discussion - https://twitter.com/pauljadam/status/714454690985955328
  7. powrsurg
    Mar 29 13:40
    That t.co link doesn't work for me
  8. jkva
    Mar 29 13:41
    @powrsurg: Have JS enabled?
  9. powrsurg
    Mar 29 13:42
    ... okay, this is too early in the morning. I was thinking the headline meant it was from a demo that now expired
  10. powrsurg @powrsurg drinks more coffee
  11. stevefaulkner
    Mar 29 15:29
    Twitter haz alt \o/ https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/714818276887552002
  12. powrsurg
    Mar 29 15:43
    It's in Android too. Settings -> Accessibility
  13. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:46
    [marcysutton] YAYYYYYY
  14. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:48
    [cordelia] I updated my iOS app but I can’t find it in my Accessibility settings?
  15. garcialo
    Mar 29 16:48
    Turn it off and on again.
  16. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:48
    [cordelia] Ah, the age old solution.
  17. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:48
    [cordelia] Yep, that worked.
  18. powrsurg
    Mar 29 16:48
    Did you reboot?
  19. powrsurg
    Mar 29 16:48
    :p
  20. garcialo @garcialo flexes the old tech-support muscles.
  21. garcialo
    Mar 29 16:49
    ouch
  22. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:55
    [marcysutton] I wish they had enabled it by default…but a win is a win is a win :tada:
  23. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 16:56
    [cordelia] Maybe that’s step three, after enabling it on web. Very exciting day! Is this going on the a11y wins blog, Marcy?
  24. garcialo
    Mar 29 16:58
    I hope it's a step three...they're probably just waiting on user feedback. I know I've done my part. https://twitter.com/garcialo/status/714835436867289088
  25. garcialo
    Mar 29 16:58
    ...now if only they had tweet editing.
  26. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 17:00
    [marcysutton] Definitely!
  27. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 17:01
    [marcysutton] I’ll try to find out about future work on it.
  28. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 17:03
    [marcysutton] remains positive for the day, with the mantra “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good"
  29. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 17:09
    [cordelia] It’s phenomenal progress! I’m happy.
  30. jnurthen
    Mar 29 17:12
    Facebook now needs to catch up
  31. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 17:14
    [poorgeek] and LinkedIn. alt text for all of the infographics I see posted in my LinkedIn feed would be nice
  32. jnurthen
    Mar 29 17:15
    Probably need longdesc for those but lets not go there
  33. cptvitamin
    Mar 29 17:59
    @jnurthen why are you afraid of longdesc ;)
  34. powrsurg
    Mar 29 18:11
    I have never understood longdesc. It takes you to a different page, correct? How do you tell it what on that page is the actual description?
  35. cptvitamin
    Mar 29 18:20
    @powrsurg it takes fragment identifiers. Ideally the only thing on that page would be the extended description
  36. cptvitamin
    Mar 29 18:24
    If you want to create a page with multiple descriptions on it, there is no reason why you couldn’t use a role of region, with an aria-describedby, to identify scope of individual descriptions
  37. cptvitamin
    Mar 29 18:25
    longdesc also takes datauri’s, so the longdesc target doesn’t actually have to exist on a server.
  38. powrsurg
    Mar 29 18:28
    okay, I guess that makes sense. I've just never seen anyone use it. Better than what I've seen talked about in the past though.
  39. cptvitamin
    Mar 29 18:38
    @powrsurg nobody used it because few screen readers supported it, but support is much better now. https://w3c.github.io/test-results/html-longdesc/cr-report.html
  40. jnurthen
    Mar 29 18:43
    @cptvitamin you know why
  41. jnurthen
    Mar 29 18:46
    we used to use longdesc and a visible link to the description but now we seem to just have the visible link. For example http://docs.oracle.com/database/121/CNCPT/cdbovrvw.htm#GUID-FC2EB562-ED31-49EF-8707-C766B6FE66B8__GUID-3ADA7980-F8BB-46D9-BF16-36ABB465248B
  42. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:18
    [cordelia] What I’ve started doing with my webcomics is including visible text transcript right below the images, if it’s a relatively short comic, or including a visible link to a page with a transcript. I find the visible text/link to be more accessible — last time I checked, long desc support isn’t that great across browsers/AT, and there are lots of people who aren’t navigating with a screenreader who would want to read a text transcript.
  43. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:24
    [robdodson] hopefully quick question: has anyone seen firefox do this when setting outline: 0?
  44. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:24
    [robdodson] Screen Shot 2016-03-29 at 12.23.32 PM.png
  45. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:25
    [robdodson] i was messing around with swapping the ring for a box-shadow and noticed that in Firefox it still puts a dotted border around the text inside my <button>
  46. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:25
    [cordelia] Yes, you need to also set -moz-focus-inner border: 0, outline: 0
  47. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:26
    [robdodson] i'll try that, thanks @cordelia!
  48. powrsurg
    Mar 29 19:33
    I go back and forth on whether I like moz-focus-inner
  49. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:34
    [cordelia] Anyone have advice on writing comics transcripts? I’m still figuring out my transcription style, learning a lot from audio descriptions for videos, as well as from this essay “On Describing Comics” http://broodhollow.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Lianakerr/On_Describing_Comics and Oh No Robot’s guidelines: http://www.gpf-comics.com/wiki/Oh_No_Robot_Transcription_Rules
  50. powrsurg
    Mar 29 19:49
    One thing you may want to research is how Comixology or the Marvel Infinite Comics
  51. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 19:51
    [alice] After glancing at that broodhollow page I now really want to read the described version of Watchmen
  52. garcialo
    Mar 29 20:00
    oh wow, that would be
  53. garcialo
    Mar 29 20:00
    ...great
  54. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:03
    [cordelia] One of the things I learned from listening to the audio descriptions for the Daredevil Netflix series (during a CSUN talk!) is how important it is for audio descriptions/transcripts to have the same tone as the original work. Last year I kept going back and forth on whether I wanted someone else to transcribe my comics (so I don’t accidentally describe scenes as better drawn than they actually are, ha!) but now it’s so clear to me that I should transcribe them myself to give the transcriptions my voice and tone.
  55. garcialo
    Mar 29 20:03
    :+1:
  56. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:04
    [karlgroves] +1
  57. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:12
    [alice] I don't know that it follows that you need to do it yourself though
  58. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:12
    [alice] I think it's like having a translator
  59. garcialo
    Mar 29 20:15
    It probably goes a little deeper than that. I think a good describer could communicate some of the tone as good as or better than intended but I would expect the description could only benefit from getting input from the content creator.
  60. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:17
    [cordelia] That’s a good way of looking at it @alice. I went to a talk recently by someone who translates comics for a living and there was a lot there about translating tone and, as @garcialo mentions, collaborating with the original writer.
  61. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:18
    [cordelia] But also since I do mostly autobio comics, it seems more natural for me to retell my own life stories in another format (all words) instead of asking someone else to retell it for me.
  62. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:18
    [cordelia] It’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot.
  63. garcialo
    Mar 29 20:19
    Could be an interesting experiment to have someone else take a look at it.
  64. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 20:19
    [alice] Right - I think it's pretty normal for translators to collaborate with the original author if they are available?
  65. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 21:14
    [poorgeek] talking about tone in audio descriptions would make an interesting talk for next years CSUN
  66. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 21:15
    [cordelia] I’d really like to do a talk on transcribing comics!
  67. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 21:16
    [poorgeek] they better give you a big room, because I think that might be a popular talk
  68. zakim-robot
    Mar 29 21:17
    [cordelia] Sina Bahram and Shaun Kane did a great talk on 3D printing comics last year
  69. yohoho
    Mar 29 21:18
    Anyone have much experience with carousels + NVDA? having to support a legacy carousel with content filled slides, NVDA will find the adjacent slide(s) content, even with the parent div of that slide being aria-hidden=true, this completely breaks carousel slider positioning. VoiceOver works fine though..
  70. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:03
    why not set display:none if they are invisible rather than relying on aria-hidden. Will be more reliable.
  71. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:03
    @yohoho What browser btw - likely the browser rather than NVDA
  72. yohoho
    Mar 29 23:32
    display: none seems to make it worse as it removes the layout placeholder of the slide and visibility: hidden does not seem to work
  73. yohoho
    Mar 29 23:32
    this is with IE11+NVDA
  74. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:33
    ahhh IE11+NVDA is a combination which (while better than before) I wouldn't spend too much time stressing over
  75. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:33
    how about FF+NVDA or IE11+JAWS
  76. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:34
    way too many negatives in that first sentence so I edited it to make clearer
  77. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:36
    Has anyone ever looked at good ways to communicate a busy state in a single page application?
  78. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:37
    At the moment we read a message using a live region when the UI event has completed and the page is ready to use - but in the event of a slow network we have realized that potentially there is an issue in that a blind user may be unaware that network activity is happening
  79. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:38
    we are thinking about using web audio api to produce a click when the application is busy and then potentially a different earcon when the load is complete.
  80. jnurthen
    Mar 29 23:39
    any comments on that?