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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 2nd of May 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 02 05:21
    Morning slackers
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 05:32
    [jitendra] morning
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 07:36
    [hhillen] morning
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 09:20
    [joly] Session on accessibility at the WSIS Forum right now. http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8457
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 09:22
    [joly] Room 5
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 09:26
    [joly] Shadi from w3c is on now.
  7. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 09:58
    morning slackers.
  8. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 09:59
    Psyched to be doing the final round of testing for our math a11y tool.
  9. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 09:59
    :wave: @jkva you're up early.
  10. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 02 10:00
    Yep! Can stop work early to spend time gardening :)
  11. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 10:01
    :) I'm guessing the weather near you is similar to around here.
  12. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 02 10:06
    Nice and sunny
  13. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 10:09
    and the winds not as cold as last week.
  14. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 10:21
    Does anybody happen to have a good resource on how browsers limit background tabs (especially when opening in background tabs)? Every once in a while I run into frankenbugs that only seem to happen when opening a page in a background tab but I'm not even sure how to approach debugging.
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 10:21
    [joly] Gregg Vanderheiden did a video contribution to the WSIS https://youtu.be/XO2hZAnWrB8
  16. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 11:24
    quick question (NVDA or more generally): is there a way "un-focus" an element (e.g., link I've tabbed to) to continue reading in browse mode?
  17. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 12:50
    esc usually
  18. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 12:51
    you can also try toggling between focus and browser with NVDA-key + space
  19. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 12:52
    in JAWS I've gotten stuck in a mode where my arrows scroll the browser and my quick keys only announce themselves, which seems to be a sort of focus mode... to get out of it, I've had to go to like PC mode and then I could go to browse mode
  20. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 12:53
    I'm not sure what triggers it, it seems to be random with my JAWS.
  21. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 14:20
    @StommePoes thanks! I'll give ESC a try.
    I do know about focus mode (I've been "enjoying" the fact that many combinations don't switch automatically on role=application for a while now).
    I don't understand the JAWS part but will learn when I get to enjoy testing JAWS ;-)
  22. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 14:35
    @StommePoes meh, sorry for wasting your time. I should've done more testing. I guess my problem is not the tab focus (works fine in other settings). So I guess role=application with tabindex? Will have to investigate.
  23. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 14:39
    Ok. Seems to be role=application, independent of the tabindex.
  24. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 14:52
    oh! @StommePoes I had not understood your wisdom (hangs head in shame). Since I'm on an application, just entering browse mode will get me back in the flow. Nice!
  25. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:15
    @pkra I see that above I said "browser" when I meant "browse"
  26. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:15
    as in browse mode
  27. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:15
    There's a different name for it per SR it seems
  28. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 15:16
    @StommePoes yes, virtual mode for JAWS, I think.
  29. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:17
    JAWS has more than just the two, however. PC mode lets you move the mouse, built in for those situations where some naughty naughty web deverloper made something only reachable with a mouse
  30. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:17
    Both JAWS and NVDA make a noise when it switches you. Orca also switches you unless you turn it off
  31. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:18
    sticky focus in orca
  32. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    May 02 15:18
    Thanks! I have run into PC mode in the past (when James Teh explained how bad our old menu was ;-) )
  33. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:19
    I'm sure NVDA has something similar but I haven't looked for it/run into it yet.
  34. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 02 15:20
    Orca also lets you simulate mouse clicks but I can't remmeber if you have to be able to focus on the thing first or can just be there with your virtual cursor.
  35. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    May 02 16:28
    @estelle HTML 5.1 advises against using links inside label because of the issues it can cause https://w3c.github.io/html/sec-forms.html#elementdef-label
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 16:28
    [estelle] thanks @stevef
  37. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 02 23:24
    Where is everyone today?
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 02 23:34
    [fstorr] It’s a holiday in the UK so that might have something to do with it.