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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 16th of January 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 07:25
    [michiel] Good morning Slackers :)
  2. [michiel] @robdodson: keep up the good work on the videos <3
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 09:30
    [alastc] @karlgroves There is a new success criteria (up for review, still very draft) in WCAG 2.1 for "Resize content" up to 400% without horizontal scrolling. That kinda requires RWD or an alternative. TBH, 200% without horizontal scrolling requires RWD, so with that assumption in place 300/400% isn't harder as it maps to mobile viewport sizes. (There is an exception for UAs that don't allow for reflow when zooming.)
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 09:59
    [michiel] should finish his email about image colour contrast.
  5. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:17
    Looking for a recommendation: Most calendar widgets I've seen tend to lower the contrast for dates that don't belong to that month to create a subtle difference between dates. Often that lower contrast is too low to pass anything. What would one recommend as an alternative? A different bg/color all together?
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:19
    [tink] If the intention is that people should not or cannot interact with anything other than the current month, the low contrast may not be an issue?
  7. [tink] If that isn't the case, then the off-months would need to meet the minimum contrast, but by less than the on-month.
  8. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:24
    I'm evaluating our new calendar for an intranet we are going to use. I ran it through aXe and it complained about the calendar on the side and was trying to make recommendations.
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:26
    [tink] The problem of non-essential content failing contrast, because it's been designed to be unobvious visually, is a tricky one.
  10. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:30
    It looks like if you have a date at the end of the previous month that shows up on the calendar you can still click on it to interact with it, but it doesn't have a circle around it like it does if that is the current month.
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:31
    [tink] In which case it really should meet the minimum contrast requirement.
  12. [tink] Would it be difficult for the designer(s) to adjust the contrasts?
  13. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:32
    One of our more designer-y developers said he finds the color contrast requirement limiting because it prevents you from doing anything subtle. I feel this would be an example of something like that
  14. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:32
    [tink] It would be interesting to ask him what the purpose of subtle is.
  15. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:32
    It's not our product, just something our HR said we were using and I looked at it for stuff like that.
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:32
    [tink] Or what his definition of subtle is.
  17. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:35
    My question was more about what should we do if we were to ever do something like that. We're looking to tweak the calendar we use for our clients and I figured we should avoid said issues
  18. The non-current month dates on the calendar were the only color contrast issues for the new intranet, which surprised me. More issues were attributed to a lack of alt text on images.
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:37
    [tink] Visual design really isn't my thing, but I think it should be possible to convey subtlety whilst still meeting contrast requirements for both types of content.
  20. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 14:39
    It is hard. With subtle you usually want things very light/faint. Doing that with enough contrast is hard. I haven't seen many good examples of that.
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 14:40
    [tink] No, that doesn't surprise me.
  22. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jan 16 17:16
    subtle usually means "Mallory misses it"
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 17:16
    [car] @powrsurg @tink If the lower-contrast dates are in the typical "calendar order" (i.e. week-row and day-column) and if the higher-contrast (current month) dates have a circle around them and the lower-contrast (other month) dates don't, then maybe you could say that "Color is not the only visual means of conveying information"?
  24. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jan 16 17:16
    Designers have huge, sharp, amazing, flashy new screens. What's subtle the them is invisible to the rest of us.
  25. I would think the colour is merely visually enhacing the fact that those dates are outside the current month, which is provided textually
  26. We've been letting our outside-the-month days be non-interactive, meaning they could be considered disabled controls, however when keyboarding, if you're arrowing on the 31st, you could, by trying to go beyond that, end up bringing yourself to the 1st of the next month... the whole month changes then, however. Same for going backwards.
  27. Not sure if that's the best way to do it, but it's how we've done it so far.
  28. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 17:19
    Right, so then is that actually okay? I mean, I feel like the dates even still being there is a nicety/making it a little easier for devs to program, rather than it being intended desire
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 17:20
    [car] I would think that mouse users would complain that the keyboarders have extra functionality that they don't have, and they would want to click on the 1st of the next month and have the month change, too.
  30. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 17:21
    I feel like hitting a right arrow on the last day of the month should, instead of changing the month, but instead change your focus to the next month button for example
  31. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jan 16 17:22
    Ooh, that's also an option.
  32. Makes sense text-wise too.
  33. Any powerpoint geniuses here?
  34. Just wondering if there's a way to make a text placeholder sit on top of another text placeholder. I haven't been able to figure that out yet.
  35. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jan 16 17:28
    http://chrishofstader.com/its-gotten-much-worse-ada-trolling-a-year-later/ :(
  36. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jan 16 17:34
    Woo... I've totally got the owner of lingscars.com to follow me on Twitter.
  37. I. Am. A. Winner.
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 18:22
    [michiel] #777777 on #FFFFFF is the lightest you can go for normal text.
  39. [michiel] Or #888888 on #FFFFFF if you make it bold.
  40. [michiel] While not the lightest colour, still pretty light.
  41. [michiel] Also, playing with font-size, background colours, etc can create the illusion of subtle.
  42. [michiel] The thing itself shouldn’t have to be subtle, the things around it have to be more prominent.
  43. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jan 16 18:38
    Funny, I would have thought #777 was low
  44. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 18:42
    [michiel] It's pretty low if your body text is #222 or something.
  45. [michiel] Contrast between 777 and 222 is 3.55:1, so that's pretty different if you ask me.
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jan 16 23:49
    [jaimeiniesta] hello! @cameron told me about this group :)
  47. [caesar] Greetings and welcome!