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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 20th of February 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 03:11
    [ted_drake] Does anyone have a suggested testing tool that works with Trinity.js?
  2. [karlgroves] @ted_drake Trinity.js is just a templating system. Test the final rendered view like other stuff
  3. [ted_drake] That’s what I was thinking, but I was chatting with someone that wanted to test prior to rendering.
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 03:18
    [ted_drake] my trinity ignorance is showing.
  5. [karlgroves] i dont see why anyone would test pre-rendering
  6. [karlgroves] IMO the best approach would be to create rendered examples, and send that over to Tenon. ;)
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 03:23
    [ted_drake] She wanted to build a plugin to the trinityjs automation framework.
  8. [ted_drake] You know automated testing is not my forté. That’s why I keep smart people like you around.

  9. [karlgroves] > She wanted to build a plugin to the trinityjs automation framework.

    This sounds like a great idea.

  10. [ted_drake] So you could grab the HTML at that point and test for errors?
  11. [karlgroves] Yes. IMO, the a11y tests should happen concurrently with other tests.
  12. [karlgroves] Render the component or view, perform other testing and do a11y too
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 03:32
    [ted_drake] thanks, I appreciate the clarity.
  14. [karlgroves] At CSUN I’ll show you how I’m doing this on Tenon itself.
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 04:03
    [ted_drake] I look forward to it.
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 04:22
    [herin] Hi, Is it possible to set the Export excel to create accessible excel sheet? Has anyone tried this?
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 05:17
    [caesar] Is there any reason why SR support for table scope and headers attribute is so poor?
  18. [caesar] ... and does anybody have an example of a workaround for complex tables?
  19. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Feb 20 08:22
    @jonathantneal don't get the idea I am anti <h> per se, I am just weary of the whole topic
  20. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Feb 20 08:30
    @jonathantneal see https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/833593506945986560
  21. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Feb 20 14:03
    @stevefaulkner, I can understand that. I lifted very large portions of your existing writings as evidence to justify my preference, so it seemed appropriate to ping you.
  22. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Feb 20 14:24
    Has browser support for the HTML5 document outline algorithm changed?
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 14:39
    [karlgroves] Nope
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 15:50
    [teleject] Call for Sessions is now open for CSS Dev Conf 2017 New Orleans https://blog.cssdevconf.com/the-css-dev-conf-2017-call-for-sessions-now-open-8858a0532362
  25. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Feb 20 18:29
    @powrsurg, no, but interest in implementing it has greatly increased, as has my general heart rate because I’m not used to advocating for things with such constant public challenge.
  26. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Feb 20 18:31
    I see value to it, but it will cause a great deal of breakage to support. A lot of work for browsers, AT, and also search engines would need to update their algorithms to properly support it.
  27. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Feb 20 18:35
    @powrsurg, if you can be more specific in describing this breakage, it would really help me.
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 19:05
    [michiel] New checkbox design http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/checkbox/checkbox-2/checkbox-2.html and http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/checkbox/checkbox-1/checkbox-1.html
  29. [michiel] Feedback welcome here: w3c/aria-practices#295
  30. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Feb 20 20:34
    Well SEO follows the classical document outline algorithm. H1 gets the most importance, h2 and so on. Search engines would need to process the entire DOM to determine the actual importance level of sections to find its relative importance, which could be mistaken. You could end up with important stuff being an h22 depending on your markup.
  31. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Feb 20 20:45
    I think Google distinguishes between importance and hierarchy. AFAICT, they reward semantic outline, and they determine importance by the context of the searcher and the context of the information within the page.
  32. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Feb 20 20:55
    I’m basing that off:
    https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/BmyI8YX_25A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM
  33. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Feb 20 20:56
    While that is true, I think that it will be a bit more work when the tags themselves being used are different.
  34. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Feb 20 21:02
    So I have an infographic as a PNG where I planned to make an image link to the PDF of the file. Should I make the alt-text the entire text of the document?
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 22:35
    [herin] Hi, I have a simple question about the WCAG Technique G139 : https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/G139.html
    Example 1: Server-side error checking
    Has any one got a demo page for this implementation to share?
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 22:42
    [karlgroves] @herin try to register for Tenon without an email or PW
  37. [herin] Hi @karlgroves : I guess this is client side validation where you can apply aria-invalid etc
  38. [herin] When there is an error message displayed from the server side as "No matching records found" or "Authentication failed" - this is not a field specific error
  39. [herin] G139 says provide a link to jump to the error
  40. [caesar] I found a picture of one, LOL
  41. [herin] G139: Creating a mechanism that allows users to jump to errors
  42. [caesar] https://www.smashingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/3-optimized-staples-validation-error-full.png
  43. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 22:49
    [herin] @karlgroves : Tenon handles it well. Even the authentication error message receives focus
  44. [karlgroves] I do usually provide links to specific fields, but those forms are so short I thought it’d be overkill.
  45. [herin] Role="alert" is there for screen readers. And it's enough for simpler forms
  46. [herin] @caesar : thanks for that.
  47. [herin] Good find
  48. [herin] :)
  49. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Feb 20 22:57
    [caesar] Smashing Magazine is a very good resource, I've found
  50. [herin] Absolutely.
  51. [herin] I love it too