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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 20th of January 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. MichielBijl
    Jan 20 00:03
    @LjWatson never mind, I was able to add myself to the right rights group. Not sure I'm supposed to be able to do that, but in any case, it solved the error on my PR.
  2. zakim-robot
    Jan 20 01:17
    [kevinchao89] Accessibility features of Android Studio: https://sites.google.com/a/android.com/tools/tech-docs/accessibility/accessibility-features-of-android-studio
  3. zakim-robot
    Jan 20 01:22
    [kevinchao89] How is WP Narrator on web? How does it compare to a11y of iOS voiceover or Android TalkBack?
  4. zakim-robot
    Jan 20 01:27
    [kevinchao89] @stommepoes ? Narrator ?
  5. jnurthen
    Jan 20 01:30
    I haven't looked in detail but it appeared (at first glance) ok. For instance I could interact with an aria slider on WP - which didn't work on iOS w/ VO. Didn't do any exhaustative tests though
  6. jnurthen
    Jan 20 01:30
    this was 8.1 by the way - my phone hasn't upgraded to win 10 yet
  7. zakim-robot
    02:11
    [kevinchao89] Good to know. We ran into that aria slider bug with iOS voiceover and good news: it works with Android TalkBack. Are there a11y improvements in WP10?
  8. jnurthen
    06:07
    No idea. Don't have it installed yet but (I think) WP10 is edge, WP8.1 is IE
  9. MichielBijl
    08:39
    @jnurthen that is not necessarily good for a11y =P
  10. MichielBijl
    14:09
    @stevefaulkner are you able to run bikeshed on the html spec?
  11. stevefaulkner
    14:47
    @MichielBijl haven't tried yet
  12. MichielBijl
    15:16
    I've never worked with it, so don't know much about besides the quick starting guide that is in the docs. But I get the same errors as Ian: https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/1#issuecomment-173195765
  13. zakim-robot
    15:20
    [kevinchao89] What would be a good channel name for: Android Auto, Car Play, Android TV, TV OS, Android Wear, and Watch OS #a11y?
  14. MichielBijl
    15:23
    Automatica11y?
  15. MichielBijl
    15:23
    Autmoba11y?
  16. MichielBijl
    15:24
    Android and Apple A11y Crap
  17. MichielBijl
    15:26
    Oh you asked for good names, never mind then.
  18. zakim-robot
    15:30
    [kevinchao89] Lol. First one is good. Thanks!
  19. zakim-robot
    15:41
    [kevinchao89] I created @iot channel with topic mentioned above.
  20. zakim-robot
    15:59
    [mkattut] Hi all. My company is looking to get another virtual meeting software (like Skype, Blue Jeans, Zoom, etc.). Do you guys have any accessible suggestions that I can pass along?
  21. MichielBijl
    16:01
    I've heard Google Hangouts to have decent a11y. Doesn't allow for live captioning though.
  22. MichielBijl
    16:02
    The Viking and The Lumberjack use Hangouts for their live show, so I'm guessing @karlgroves had a look at its a11y.
  23. zakim-robot
    16:05
    [kevinchao89] I and other screen reader using colleagues use Hangouts on Web, Android, and iOS all of the time and a11y is good.
  24. zakim-robot
    16:13
    [karlgroves] Billy & I have just had a crash course on Hangouts on air a11y. The Hangout itself is OK, but some of the buttons/ links to get in have poor labels and poor keyboard accessibility.
  25. zakim-robot
    16:15
    [karlgroves] Otherwise they’re K
  26. zakim-robot
    16:19
    [kevinchao89] AFAIK, all features listed here for Hangouts,!including External guest link/phone is accessible: https://support.google.com/a/answer/6097610?hl=en
  27. zakim-robot
    16:57
    [karlgroves] thanks for sharing that
  28. MichielBijl
    19:54
    Does anyone here have any clue how to make an accessible fallback for this 3D star map: http://ovid.github.io/
  29. MichielBijl
    19:55
    It shows star systems that are connected via lines, when you click on one, you get some information about that system.
  30. jkva
    19:55
    Hmm, it's a canvas. Tricky.
  31. MichielBijl
    19:55
    I'm thinking a table with a column that has a list per system that lists the systems that system (row) is linked to.
  32. MichielBijl
    19:56
    You can put fallback content in <canvas></canvas> just need to know what =P
  33. jkva
    19:56
    You could have inter-page anchors with linked systems
  34. jkva
    19:56
    many-to-many linked list
  35. MichielBijl
    19:56
    That could be an option.
  36. jkva
    19:56
    Interesting thing to make accessible
  37. jkva
    19:57
    If you want to do cool stuff
  38. jkva
    19:57
    you could move stuff around with having a shared class per star system
  39. MichielBijl
    19:57
    Needs research, to the science lab!
  40. jnurthen
    20:06
    sounds a bit like our diagrammer.
  41. jnurthen
    20:06
    that is svg though - http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/uiComponents-diagram-default.html
  42. jnurthen
    20:07
    has a bunch of keystrokes to navigate around it - http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jsdocs/oj.ojDiagram.html
  43. zakim-robot
    20:26

    [hannah] Hello all, I have a basic HTML question that I'd love some input on...

    What's the best way to code a postal address? I was thinking either each line in a new <p> tag, or a <span> around each line with the CSS set to display:block;

    Any input would be much appreciated. I want my website to be very screen-reader friendly!

  44. zakim-robot
    20:28
    [gregtarnoff] <address> with <br /> between lines is what I see most often. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/address
  45. jnurthen
    20:29

    according to that page "Usage note:

    To represent an arbitrary address, one that is not related to the contact information, use a <p> element rather than the <address> element."

  46. jnurthen
    20:30
    indeed the HTML spec states "The address element must not be used to represent arbitrary addresses (e.g. postal addresses), unless those addresses are in fact the relevant contact information. (The p element is the appropriate element for marking up postal addresses in general.)"
  47. zakim-robot
    20:33
    [gregtarnoff] @hannah: are you looking at contact info for you or the org behind the site, or just a random address in content?
  48. zakim-robot
    20:39
    [mkattut] @karlgroves @kevinchao89 @MichielBijl @michiel Thanks for the info on/suggestion of Google Hangout. I don't think we're looking to use it as we want a program that can be used to simulate classroom discussion (and unless I'm mistaken, Google Hangout is limited in the number of users it can have in a given meeting). We currently have Adobe Connect, but want something more user friendly and approachable, yet accessible.
  49. zakim-robot
    20:43
    [hannah] @gregtarnoff: It's a random address in the content
  50. zakim-robot
    20:43
    [gregtarnoff] Ahh ok. that I missed. Yes, <p> is the way to go then.
  51. zakim-robot
    20:45
    [hannah] Great! Thanks for the wisdom! I work at an organization that aims to be AAA compliant (when possible) so I often have web accessibility questions - glad to have found this slack channel. :simple_smile:
  52. jnurthen
    20:46
    AAA is quite some aim :)
  53. jnurthen
    20:47
    (in case you are wondering what is up with the robots, this channel exists in 2 places, slack and gitter with robots mirroring between the 2)
  54. StommePoes
    20:50
    aaarg
  55. StommePoes
    20:50
    The search here is horrid
  56. StommePoes
    20:50
    I was tryinf to search the BODY of this chat for "paciello" to find a link
  57. StommePoes
    20:51
    instead it opens me into some roomcalled PAC-Brian
  58. StommePoes
    20:51
    and I cannot remove that room ever again
  59. StommePoes
    20:51
    annoying.
  60. StommePoes
    20:51
    Why is every litlte thing on the web so unnecessarily frustrating????
  61. jkva
    20:51
    Hover over the room, click the little cross
  62. StommePoes
    20:51
    the stupid UI gives me a cross to click which does absolutley NOTHING
  63. StommePoes
    20:52
    it does make a cutesy popup that says "hide"
  64. StommePoes
    20:52
    which it does not
  65. jkva
    20:52
    Opens a tooltip, "leave / hide"
  66. StommePoes
    20:52
    but even then, I don't want to hide it, I don't want at all
  67. StommePoes
    20:52
    there is no leave
  68. StommePoes
    20:52
    only hide
  69. jkva
    20:52
    Try a different browser
  70. MichielBijl
    21:46
    @StommePoes stop browsing with w3m!
  71. MichielBijl
    21:46
    WOMM
  72. MichielBijl
    21:47
    @mkattut you can have as many people as possible join a Google Hangouts with the live feature (which is what you want I'm guessing).
  73. zakim-robot
    22:15
    [techthomas] Anyone know if Java Access Bridge will ever be ported to Mac?
  74. jnurthen
    22:17
    I don't think so but I'm not sure it is needed on the mac. Let me ask someone
  75. jnurthen
    22:18

    This is what apple claims "Accessibility

    With some platforms, to use the Java Accessibility API, you must use a native bridge. This is not necessary in OS X because the bridging code is built in. Users can configure the accessibility features of OS X through the Universal Access pane of System Preferences. As a result, if you are using the Accessibility API, your application can use devices that the user has configured there.

    Beginning with OS X v10.4, a screen reader called VoiceOver is included with the operating system. Your Java application automatically uses this technology.
    "

  76. jnurthen
    22:21
    Confirmed - access bridge not needed on Linux or Mac, only on windows
  77. MichielBijl
    22:22
    @jnurthen re 3D star map thing: that would require a total rewrite, which is not something I would recommend to devs buried in work. A more simple but equally accessible solutions would be preferred.
  78. jnurthen
    22:23
    @MichielBijl yeah.... just thought I would throw it out there!
  79. jkva
    22:23
    I was wondering about a big <ul> and using classes and the sibling operator to "group" star systems and routes
  80. MichielBijl
    22:23
    Yeah it's a good suggestion as it does bare some resemblance, and will keep it in mind, thank you for that =D
  81. jnurthen
    22:24
    Those libraries will be open source by CSUN (hopefully)
  82. MichielBijl
    22:24
    @jkva I like your idea of inter page linking of the systems.
  83. MichielBijl
    22:25
    For now, I'm going to hibernate my brain for a bit, see you all tomorrow waves
  84. jkva
    22:25
    Night night
  85. zakim-robot
    22:31
    [techthomas] @jnurthern thanks for info on Java Accessibility API, was encountering an app with a black hole for accessibility. Was hoping for any kind of rationalization to understand it.. hate inaccessible apps!
  86. jnurthen
    22:36
    could be that the component they used for that part wasn't accessible.... swing components generally are (or can be made to be) other toolkits often have not implemented accessibility support. If you want to track it down start looking at what components the app is using
  87. jnurthen
    22:36
    does it work on windows and not on the mac - or have you only tested on the mac?
  88. jnurthen
    22:37
    (I'm not a Java expert - but could perhaps route questions to the right people)
  89. stevefaulkner
    23:10
    @StommePoes easier to search archives http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/index.html