Publishing Business Group Telco — Minutes

Date: 2018-03-13

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: Bill McCoy, Murata Makoto, Avneesh Singh, Luc Audrain, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Tzviya Siegman, Bill Kasdorf, Dave Cramer, Junko Kamata, Brian O’Leary, Wolfgang Schindler, Ivan Herman, Jun-ichi Yoshii, Garth Conboy, Ric Wright, George Kerscher, Julian Calderazi, Dan Fauxsmith, Laurent Le Meurs

Regrets: Ivan Herman

Guests:

Chair: Luc Audrain

Scribe(s): Garth Conboy, Dave Cramer

Content:

1. EPUB 3.2 proposal

Luc Audrain: first item for EPUB 3.2 resolution
… Version 3.2; lots of work to do.
… Agree with principles? Or have comments?

Julian Calderazi: link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2RbLipc5VY3vUp_iuPak3oaNxI5BF9gJ5s-98qsmEY/edit?ts=5a578c4c#heading=h.izdc9lnn3tf

Dave Cramer: http://w3c.github.io/publ-epub-revision/epub32/spec/epub-spec.html

Luc Audrain: otherwise we’ll move to ask CG to proceed with work on EPUB 3.2 (with all due haste).
… Good consensus so far
… No Objections, it seems!
… Consensus on call; 72 hour notice to go out.

Resolution #1: CG can go ahead, provided there is no objection within 72 hours

Murata Makoto: Who is going to lead the taskforce for this work in the CG?

Garth Conboy: can we get Matt to help with draft?
… how Matt is allocated?

George Kerscher: Matt is 100% with Daisy.

Garth Conboy: Garth will reach out to Matt, for time availability.

George Kerscher: Matt would likely want to work on this but A11Y?

Dave: did first pass as draft, that’s what we’ll work from. Need issues to move forward.
… most development should move through gitbub
… Maybe kick-off meeting makes sense.

George Kerscher: ISO terminology is special, ie, we MUST say SHOULD :-)

Murata Makoto: Yes, I will!

George Kerscher: (beware of W3C/ISO vocab differences)

2. new person on the call

Luc Audrain: Welcome Dan Fauxsmith?

Julian Calderazi: Welcome Dan! Good to have you here.

3. DPUB Summit

Luc Audrain: Can anybody explain where we are with DPUB Summit

Laurent Le Meurs: in Berlin the 17th of May
… Book your rooms!

Bill McCoy: https://www.edrlab.org/dpub-summit-2018/

Laurent Le Meurs: 1:00p on 16th to 5:30p on the 17th
… Program on web site

Murata Makoto: I will be there.

Ivan Herman: +1 Makoto!

Luc Audrain: +1

Laurent Le Meurs: Daisy devices moving to EPUB 3 to be demoed.

Bill McCoy: W3C is co-sponsoring event

Brian O’Leary: Conflicts with a BISG metadata summit in NY; unable to attend

Bill McCoy: Good general agenda and W3C-ish Publishing topics too
… Mix of (light) technical topics and business too

Murata Makoto: I wanted to point out that there will be WHATWG people in the AC meeting. It would be a good chance for us to understand how we should contact WHATWG about HTML.

Ivan Herman: See also https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/03/digital-publishing-summit-in-berlin-16th-and-17th-of-may/

Garth Conboy: Summit follows AC meeting Monday/Tuesday; Readium meeting 16th AM

4. epubcheck funding

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: epubcheck funding
… Need to raise $90-$100K to get epubcheck to where it needs to be
… Maybe get 20-30 compares to put in $3K+
… do we need tiers of funding

Garth Conboy: no, for an amount that small.

Ric Wright: Ric agrees with Garth

Luc Audrain: How will this be announced?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: RickJ could work with a list of prospects.
… Should it just be a letter from this group?

Julian Calderazi: Whatever might be needed as regards to design, count with me.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: How did we land on getting payment and storing payment

Brian O’Leary: Tiers might be good… for a lead tier (maybe $25K)

Bill Kasdorf: +1 to Brian

Tzviya Siegman: brian makes a good point
… where do the checks go?

Garth Conboy: +1 to Brian’s single bigger tier

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: need to settle how we’re going to deal with cash
… Nominate BillM for handling that

Luc Audrain: +1

Bill McCoy: will take that on and explore option

Tzviya Siegman: if Readium, need to make sure it looks good, relative to W3C taking over for IDPF

Laurent Le Meurs: is there a history of W3C do this sort of stuff: fundraising and paying for development?

Ivan Herman: not really

Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/International/sponsorship/

Ivan Herman: general pushback against potential competition with member orgs
… some fundraising for general programs (e.g., mobile web initiative)

Tzviya Siegman: who funds https://validator.w3.org/?

Luc Audrain: Readium and EDRlab may make sense.

Laurent Le Meurs: yes, well could be

Luc Audrain: though announcements need to be clear

Julian Calderazi: how long do we fundraise?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: until to get to $100K (semi smiley)

Tzviya Siegman: initial release in a month-ish, then start on EPUB 3.2
… then there is also general maintenance

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: which is why were looking to have an annual budget

Ric Wright: Folks may be taking HappyPills(tm) with said estimates
… it’s involved, and must be scoped and algile-ish

Luc Audrain: EPUB 3.2 is making it somewhat easier, due to compatibility with EPUB 3.0.1

Ric Wright: suffers for historically from too many cooks in the kitchen

Tzviya Siegman: Six months was allotted for general cleanup of code and test suite

Ric Wright: happy to help refine

5. IDPF Web site’s fate

Luc Audrain: IDPF web site
… discussion about what to move where; A11Y resources move to Daisy?

George Kerscher: problem with maintaining info in two different places; A11Y guidelines on IDPF site; ACE knowledge base
… should redirect to new ACE location
… new ACE knowledge is newer and should no be with overlapping copyright (switch older IDPF stuff)

Ivan Herman: beyond A11Y…
… what do we do with the IDPF Web site?
… some pages should be deprecated there
… Keep some IDPF pages alive for W3C publishing?

Murata Makoto: Yes

Murata Makoto: I would like to point out that

Murata Makoto: EPUB 3.1 depends on some

Murata Makoto: registries at the IDPF site.

Murata Makoto: URLs are hardcoded in the specs.

Garth Conboy: ask rkwright

Ric Wright: have been working on some Readium site work, with some light cloning from IDPF

Dave Cramer: we’ve ported some IDPF documents to the CG github: https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/

Bill Kasdorf: Some auxiliary specs (e.g., indexes) could well move to be CG notes
… if still valid

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Should 3.2 not point to anything on IDPF site?

Murata Makoto: That’s certainly possible.

Garth Conboy: likely good direction for 3.2

Ivan Herman: but old URLs never die

Laurent Le Meurs: who’s paying today for the IDPF domain name?

Bill McCoy: 3.2 referencing only W3C locations is a good plan
… IDPF.org should be considered more a static archive
… could move into some sort of static archive

Murata Makoto: We had http://idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/ (ssv)

Murata Makoto: But it is redirected to https://idpf.github.io/epub-vocabs/structure/

Murata Makoto: We cannot change them.

Ivan Herman: Package namespace is IDPF URI

Bill McCoy: epubzone isn’t continuing, W3C will be used instead.
… it was never normative, anyhow.

Murata Makoto: Redirection would work.

Ric Wright: 1) URLs: redirection can help not break specs. 2) epubzone, some has migrated to Readium

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Noticed that forums on epubzone are still active and might be in need of monitoring

Ivan Herman: Should use W3C blog for publishing stuff

6. Task forces

6.1. External coordination TF

Bill Kasdorf: email to Publishing BG late this week or early next (External Coordination task force) to call for participation
… stay tuned for email

6.2. A11y TF

Luc Audrain: A11Y TF call tomorrow

Murata Makoto: A11Y: BillM, did you speak with the W3C management about starting an EPUB accessibility project in ISO/IEC? Japan has created a draft for the required new work item proposal and is waiting.

Avneesh Singh: A11Y awaiting resolution/direction

Murata Makoto: I think that I need “OK”.

Murata Makoto: That’s all.

Murata Makoto: Why no progress?

Luc Audrain: ISO — 3.0.1 now, start on 3.2 thereafter

Murata Makoto: Why no “OK” from the w3c m about an Iso/IEC project for EPUB A11Y?

Murata Makoto: No.

Murata Makoto: Independent.

Bill McCoy: 3.2 needs to be set. This should should recommend that “OK”.
… does it make sense to EPUB A11Y at ISO independently of EPUB 3.2

Murata Makoto: I agree with Garth.

Murata Makoto: should be separated.

Avneesh Singh: the proposal of separating epub a11y from EPUB 3.1 was due to the independence of accessibility
… now the situation has changed, and we need to rethink

Bill McCoy: +1 to Avneesh

Murata Makoto: Yes!

Murata Makoto: Bye

Luc Audrain: we need a call about ISO and a11y
… thanks all

7. Resolutions