Publishing Business Group Telco — Minutes

Date: 2018-05-22

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log


Present: Julian Calderazi, Avneesh Singh, Ivan Herman, Bill McCoy, Dave Cramer, Daihei Shiohama, Luc Audrain, Tzviya Siegman, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Murata Makoto, Rick Johnson, Ric Wright, Leonard Rosenthol, Bill Kasdorf, Garth Conboy, Paul Belfanti, Jens Klingelhöfer, Leslie Hulse

Regrets: Rachel Comerford, Karen Myers, Brian O’Leary, George Kerscher, Jun-ichi Yoshii, Laurent Le Meur


Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley

Scribe(s): Luc Audrain


Ric Wright: rkwright+

1. report from DPUB Summit Berlin

Ivan Herman:

Ivan Herman: video recording will be on line

Ivan Herman: personally, several things on scholarly publishing: publishing data is also important besides text
… packaging smaller chunks
… cut the publication in pieces
… Also from Microsoft epub reader in Edge
… how would he convince other browser vendors but no clear answer
… archival last session, all problems they hit with publications

Murata Makoto: There were some good news about adoption of LCP by libraries.

Ivan Herman: from British Library all professional in this area will review WP document to make their life easier

Murata Makoto: +1

Ivan Herman: Garth gave a good feedback on W3C feedback
… Avneesh gave an impressive presentation of SMART

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: archival : long term access or technically out of print?

Ivan Herman: Longterm, in 500 years?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: publisher maintenance of a file is a problem now

Bill Kasdorf: legal deposit have challenge, they have to archive every thing

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Luc: very interesting to meet each other and have concentration of thoughts

Luc Audrain: not so much people from Germany

Murata Makoto: attendees interested in LCP
… how do other feels ?

Luc Audrain: LCP a good opportunity for libraries in Europe

Garth Conboy: 130 people, engaged
… talks on point and interesting

Avneesh Singh: Edge business model is a question

Garth Conboy: MS making a bookstore, so Edge good for the consumption of the books
… surprised to hear that native EPUB support to come in iOS and Android

Leonard Rosenthol: PDF day at the same moment in Berlin, consistent support in browsers in question

Ivan Herman: will be repeated next year but where is to be considered

Tzviya Siegman: slides ?

Ivan Herman: they will be and the video

Garth Conboy: Garth excellent slides (largely stolen from Tzviya):

2. Manga/Comics/BD workshop in Tokyo

Bill McCoy: make progress on a consensus on the scope
… several concurrent proposals
… planned on 18 and 19, cover « layout & presentation of visually rich publications, including both fixed and dynamic formatting »
… from Manga to magazines
… using OWP for visually rich content, including accessibility
… CSS expert are expected
… CSS animation, CSS pagination
… list of co-chairs in progress … cochairs would be Florian, Makoto, and maybe Luc

Murata Makoto: Florian supported by Kodansha
… separate events after this workshop, sister events

Bill McCoy: APL is involved in logistics, workshop in english
… seminar after in Japanese
… targeting Japanese publishers
… 50 to 70 people for the workshop

Murata Makoto: manga publishers and authors would prefer Japanese than english

Bill McCoy: see that in PC meeting
… contact me Makoto, Florian or Luc for participating

Murata Makoto: invite French authors and Samuel Petit

Bill McCoy: next week WCM approval on workshop and group, and then set a meeting
… first meeting week of June 4 probably

Tzviya Siegman: 18/19 is Yom Kippour, so won’t get any Jews

Bill McCoy: we will think about this

Avneesh Singh: accessibility chronic issue in comics

Murata Makoto: a11y in particular dyslexia
… for blind people very difficult challenge
… a11y will be in the scope

3. recent ISO discussions relative to EPUB

Leonard Rosenthol: moving EPUB forward in Lisbon last week
… standardization of EPUB 3.0.1 and LCP
… on EPUB, 3.0 a TS, TS have a short life 3 years

Murata Makoto: No, it can be extended.

Leonard Rosenthol: published 2014, as in 2017 the document to be updated as an IS

Murata Makoto: No, I do not think so.

Leonard Rosenthol: something needs to happen, the update has to be an IS
… in the meeting,
… decision of the committee was to move 3.0.1 with editorial

Murata Makoto:: JWG7 believed that EPUB 3.0.1 cannot be fast-tracked since 3.0 is already a set of Technical Specifications. Thus, they decided to use the normal procedure for standardizing EPUB 3.0.1. However, the normal procedure requires rewrite based on ISO/IEC Directives, Part 2. … The SC34 secretariat and I were surprised because we believe that 3.0.1 can be fast-tracked. For example, ODF 1.2 was PAS-submitted although ODF 1.0 was already a set of International Standard. Note that the ballot procedure for PAS and fast-track are almost identical. The SC34 Secretariat, the JWG7 convenor, and I will discuss.

Murata Makoto: will be discussed with the secretaries

Murata Makoto: 3.0.1 to be published as an IS should not be a problem

Leonard Rosenthol: LCP not enough countries to accept the ballot
… only Japan and Korea
… US rep said a conceptually good idea, but concerns, Germany also

Murata Makoto: 5 countries said yes but only 2 gave experts
… we need 3 more countries members on SC34 with expert
… Italy is in SC34

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: where to continue this discussion? It is not in the scope of this group (or W3C)

Murata Makoto: Outside the scope of this group

Luc Audrain: ISO TF

Leonard Rosenthol: LCP isn’t coming through W3C

Luc Audrain: call through EDRLab

Murata Makoto: Agreed.

Leonard Rosenthol: +1 for external coordination and notifications…

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: let this group know?

Luc Audrain: mainly focused on EDRLab, I will contact Laurent with Makoto CC’ed

4. EPUB 3 FXL for Children’s Picture Books

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: challenging customers to use that standard, best practices

Garth Conboy: is it fully conformant with 3.0.1

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: distributed with small changes

Tzviya Siegman: +1 to standards

Murata Makoto: Yes!

Julian Calderazi: Me too Liisa, would be interesting to take a look to it.

Leslie Hulse: best practice through BISG?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: within the W3C CG

Dave Cramer: the CG is working on best practices for EPUB

Murata Makoto: list of existing best practices?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: we found a way to code these children books that work well, we want to share this as best practices

Bill Kasdorf: so, “best practice” = “this is the practice we’ve found to work best right now”?

Garth Conboy: sounds good

Dahei: share the info in Japan as well

Ric Wright: Readium would be very interested in seeing these “best practices” as they work in Readium 1/2/NG

Dave Cramer: sounds like the dream when we wrote the FXL specs, wonderful accomplishment

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: if we publish BP within the CG, BillK would use coordination TF to make it known