PBG Weekly Call - East Asia time — Minutes

Date: 2019-03-05

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: Karen Myers, Tzviya Siegman, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Wendy Reid, Junko Kamata, Bill Kasdorf, Daihei Shiohama, Garth Conboy

Regrets:

Guests:

Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley

Scribe(s): Karen Myers

Content:

Karen Myers: Chairs: Daihei and Liisa

Tzviya Siegman: Some people are permanently on irc and he may not be on the call

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Let’s start
… this the Japan/Asia friendly time call
… I am under the weather today
… so I will only chair the first part of this and then Liisa will join later
… and I will leave it to her
… I trust you have received the agenda
… Meeting times going forward
… in US it will change to daylight savings time on 10 March

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I just mentioned the meeting times; can you please continue?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: sure

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: for meeting times we will continue the alternate weeks of North America/Europe and Asia/Japan
… we are proposing that after daylight savings we change to 8:00pm EST, 5:00pm Pacific and 9:00am Japan
… is that acceptable for everyone?

Junko Kamata: This time, 9:00am is perfect for me

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: we will send out an email
… I believe Garth has updated the invitation for the meeting for the new schedule we will keep for the next couple of months to see how this works

Garth Conboy: I have not done the updates, but I can certainly do so

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We will send out by email and one of chairs will send you request for the calendar

Garth Conboy: and we are not changing the NA/Europe call, correct?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: correct
… any other questions or comments on that before moving on

1. Event Calendar

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=NWhvMW05aTdsNHVzOXEzbWEyMGVlMmh2a2NAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We have started to publish a calendar and chairs of BG have started to put events in
… There was a question last week on the North American and Europe call if we should include regional events
… like country-specific events
… Chairs discussed and we believe we should include any events that you feel will be helpful. We’ll leave that open-ended
… Luc wanted us to mention the EPUB Summit in June is coming up
… that should be a good event for members of that community
… Daihei, do you want to mention anything on the Japanese event before TPAC?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): based on last discussion, I am asking if Sept 14-15 before TPAC in Fukuoka
… I think it depends upon professors’ schedules
… I will let you know if I hear any progress

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Great
… any questions about event calendar

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: ebookcraft is on the calendar; it will be a good event

2. EPUB3.2

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: There has been discussion if we can get Publishing@W3C members to give us adoption testimonials
… and collect those as people adopt them
… think about whether you want to participate in that

Karen Myers: there is support for EPUB3.2 testimonials from W3C communications perspective

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: EPUB3.2 beta is available and we recommend that you test it out and give feedback
… there has been some discussion on GitHub
… please do continue to raise any concerns

Bill Kasdorf: Can you remind us what the additional testing is in this release
… the EPUB4.2 Check I believe matches the EPUB3.2 spec

Garth Conboy: It is not exact, but quite close

Tzviya Siegman: full release notes: https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/releases

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: my technical people said things that have been deprecated; warnings and errors are good things to check out

Tzviya Siegman: I just put a link to the release notes in irc

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Thank you, Tzviya
… and reminder that we are continuing the fund raising for EPUB Check
… we will continue the development but we need to continue to bring in funds

Tzviya Siegman: epubcheck contribution form: https://inclusivepublishing.org/epubcheckdonate/

Junko Kamata: About EPUB3 we found some message from EPUB Check
… some duplicated elements as warning
… elements, he or she shows message as @
… it is not suitable for us
… we offer EPUBCheck members
… to reconsider about the message
… want you to know about that

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: The deprecated elements you saw were around the image order?

Junko Kamata: the @ focus

Garth Conboy: displacement

Tzviya Siegman: Please log issues in GitHub

Tzviya Siegman: https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/issues

Tzviya Siegman: if you have other concerns, please bring those up
… if you are uncomfortable logging issues, you can contact me or Romain Deltour

Junko Kamata: Thank you, Tzviya

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: can you clarify the warnings for us
… you have people in your market consider the book has failed because of this warning?

Garth Conboy: https://github.com/w3c/publ-epub-revision/issues/1242

Junko Kamata: yes, that is right; huge impact for Japanese market

Garth Conboy: I pasted in that issue on display sequence
… Matt has proposed not deprecating that property value going forward
… seems to be general agreement; needs to be taken up by CG

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Thanks, Garth for clarifying. We should note this is an issue for the Japanese market
… and a good example of why we should be testing

Junko Kamata: Thank you

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: any further EPUB Check discussions?
… moving on

3. Reader Expectations for Pop-up Content

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: while we have you, Junko, can you tell us how the Japanese market indicates pop-ups?
… are you doing popped-up content for the books you are publishing?

Junko Kamata: Actually I am not the person to see what happens
… with the pop-up message
… I believe Daihei knows more about that

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Popped-up content did not happen yet
… for the children’s books, there were some but limited
… children and picture oriented books the market is limited
… children publishers are not so interested in going into digital publishing market
… might be something in educational publishing
… but not so much popped-up content in trade publishing
… My personal opinion is that popped-up content could really help compared to print

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: I have been working on use cases for a handful of places where we use popped-up for things like notes, footnotes, children’s picture books for images and text to make them easier to see
… for NA market
… some widely used, some less used use cases to write up
… answer keys on quizzes, flat kind of book pop-ups
… we discovered all the PubBG chairs have been sick, so I have not yet finished that write-up
… maybe end of this week
… anyone else want to contribute to the Popped-up discussion?

Bill Kasdorf: those sound like good use cases

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): On the next Asia/Japan friendly time call
… I will reach out to the Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese and Chinese members to see if there are more use cases to report

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: That’s great, thank you
… we have also started to collect some ideas for future discussion topics

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kq5zOMzOxvHkM8yAgoqao0M0-z5FBzqtWWoO9qLS8PM/edit#gid=0

4. Topics for future PubBG calls

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: please feel free to add or comment to things there
… and let us know about things that are of interest to you to discuss
… possibly next discussion will be relevant to EPUB Check discussion
… if still need to be validate; or if need to let go
… any questions or discussion on that?
… anything else anyone would like to talk about tonight/this morning?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: have a lovely rest of your evening or day
… we will convene again at one hour later in two weeks

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): thank you, Liisa

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Feel better, Daihei

Karen Myers: [adjourned]