Publishing Business Group Telco - East Asia time — Minutes

Date: 2019-03-20

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平), Junko Kamata, Karen Myers, Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni), Shinya Takami, Murata Makoto

Regrets:

Guests:

Chair: Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平)

Scribe(s): Karen Myers

Content:

1. Meeting times

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): this is the East Asia and Japan friendly time
… time has changed today due to daylight savings
… is this time OK?

Murata Makoto: it’s ok for me

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): OK for me in Taiwan

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): We will go with this time every other week

2. event calendar

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): prepared by Liisa and available
… I listed in the agenda the link

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): explain about the meeting in September
… TPAC is Sept 16-19 in Japan
… During the TPAC period
… I would like to propose that the PBG meeting take place on the Thursday
… so the progress…and W3C/Keio can join in

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): for Monday 16-17, the Publishing WG is proposing to meet
… PWG will have Monday and Tuesday meeting
… and then Wednesday we don’t have official one
… Thursday, 19 we will have the PubBG meeting
… if this is OK, I will place an application into the W3C web site as a co-chair
… Is this ok for everyone?

Murata Makoto: Did you propose a teleconference or f2f before TPAC?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I am talking about a face-to-face meeting during TPAC Fukuoka
… on Thursday, 19 Sept.
… I am supposed to send an application to W3C web site [for TPAC]
… this date chosen because of Murai-sensei’s availability
… and PubWG has already filed application for Monday and Tuesday for their meetings
… It has not been confirmed, but Thursday, 19 Sept in Fukuoka during TPAC
… for that date I would like to propose a PBG to be held
… Can everybody hear this?

Murata Makoto: Will we have some free time on the 18th?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): there are no meetings scheduled

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I will send an application into W3C for this 19 Sept. PBG meeting
… and let you know the response I get
… and send times and details later

Murata Makoto: How many hours do you expect?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I don’t know yet but will consult with others
… if any other events we should consider for PBG?

Junko Kamata: I wonder if publishing summit event will still be organized?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I am talking about this as a possible event for PBG
… Monday Tuesday has already filed an application
… I will find out what kind of agenda they have planned and share info with everybody

Junko Kamata: thank you

3. EPUB3.2

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I will combine with EPUBCheck topic
… Romain sent information that EPUBCheck is updated
… it is good to go
… we would like everyone to test 4.0
… so far, Voyager said he checked 3.0.1
… files and no problem
… so unless there are any issues with EPUBCheck
… then EPUB3.2 is good to go
… and EPUBCheck release candidate, everybody could test it
… any questions?

Murata Makoto: I asked about testimonials
… do you have some info about this?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Wendy gave us a link to the testimonials
… and Tzviya sent info to GitHub
… which we shared with everybody, and with APL
… testimonials have not been confirmed
… I will confirm with the PBG mailing list
… that testimonials could be good to go or not

Murata Makoto: Marketing is extremely important in this world; we have to sell EPUB3.2
… wonder if you plan to take advantage of a F2F meeting or conference to sell EPUB3.2

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I don’t have a plan, but there will be a digital publishing summit in Paris in June
… and one of program agenda items is to talk about EPUB3.2
… Ivan will be joining in and co-chair from Hachette
… I will join in and @ from APL
… so this will be an opportunity to join in about this

Murata Makoto: this is a great idea

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): before the Paris event, I don’t think there are plans for a F2F
… but we can do publicity through W3C site and other mailing lists
… I will discuss with PWG co-chairs and other co-chairs at the steering committee meeting

Murata Makoto: this is good. Seems some journalists might be a the Paris meeting
… announcing 3.2 to public at that meeting would be a good opportunity

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): candidate stage, then we should make testimonials available to public

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): +1 to Makoto-san, most people in Taiwan still don’t know about EPUB 3.2

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): this is an issue to discuss more widely
… does anyone have any other ideas about Makoto-san’s suggestions?
… let me discuss with PWG and PBG co-chairs
… and SC members such as Ivan
… EPUBCheck 4.2.0
… any questions or ideas to discuss?
… I think we should make available this information available on the release candidate
… and for everyone to test this
… and then also talk about EPUB3.2
… I hope PBG people will take the initiative to talk to each country’s publishing industry related to this issue

Karen Myers: +1

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): any questions?

Karen Myers: @: In Japan

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): we are starting to evaluate EPUBCheck 4.2.0
… I wonder how long we can test before the release?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Let me check
… Karen, do you know?

Karen Myers: no

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I will check and come back to you
… any other questions?

4. EPUBCheck Fundraising reminder

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): We still need to raise more funds
… any fundraising efforts anyone can do each country would be appreciated
… are there any ideas for soliciting the fundraising by anybody?

Karen Myers: Tzviya organized some T-shirts to sell
… but I think there is a challenge shipping outside the US
… perhaps do something for Japan or other regions

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): 4.2-rc was released few days ago and thanks for Bobby’s help on the zh-tw translation, I’ll publish the information (evaluation and fundraising) in Taiwan via TDPF channel

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Yanni suggested we could do a fundraising effort through the TDPF channel in Taiwan
… I asked Taiwanese members to join this call today
… Yanni, could you help me as well?

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): Sure I can help

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): thank you, Yanni for helping us
… may I move on?
… reports and discussions?

5. Reader expectation for popped up content

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): this idea came up from Liisa for children’s books and graphics books
… let’s say it’s a story of some child
… and you tap on the graphic and then some sort of message comes up
… as popped up content
… that is Liisa’s idea to standardize
… At PRH Liisa told us they are publishing some popped up content for children
… she said she could make use of them for some use cases
… I also know in Japan
… at the beginning of digital publishing in Japan, like early 2010, there were popped up content
… in ebooks
… but they did not go anywhere
… because digital text books for schools now
… and graphical books are becoming more available in Japan, there might be a chance for popped up content as well
… Anybody like to discuss this issue?

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): There are some titles in Taiwan use popped up content (for children), too.

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I said we could continue to discuss this subject
… Yanni, thank you

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): They usually use JavaScript to do the popped up

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): would share Taiwan’s use case here with everyone in PBG?
… Yanni said they use JS to do popped up

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): Sorry my mic doesn’t work

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): if you can share the information, that would be appreciated
… we can read what you type, Yanni
… I will read out each item
… from Google doc link in the agenda I sent out
… First one is issues with Adobe and InDesign export
… other is EPUB types being used in the marketplace
… regarding InDesign ebook production, catalogue documentation
… managing ebook files over time
… expectations regarding reader access to update files
… any ideas to discuss these topics?
… are you interested to talk about these topics?

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): I can

Karen Myers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kq5zOMzOxvHkM8yAgoqao0M0-z5FBzqtWWoO9qLS8PM/edit#gid=0

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): any other questions or comments
… from call today or some item you would like to discuss?

Murata Makoto: I have a question about the second item, types
… I think people are using WAI-ARIA
… are we migrating from EPUB types to the WAI-ARIA attribute?
… how do people feel about this?

Shinya Takami: Information yesterday
… we had APL in Japan and i shared importance of fundraising for EPUBCheck
… and I introduced the T-shirt fundraising
… just for your information

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Any comments on Makoto-san’s comment on EPUB Type?

Shinya Takami: I don’t think it’s popular in Japan
… we have to investigate this EPUB Type

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Anyone else have other comments on Makoto-san’s question

Murata Makoto: As far as I know, DAISY authors don’t use this kind of meta information
… on the other hand they use the class attribute of HTML

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Thank you, Makoto-san

Murata Makoto: So I wonder if we should abandon this EPUB Type?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Any other comments on this point?
… Makoto-san, how about this
… why don’t we include this as an issue to discuss at the US-European friendly meeting

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): I think most reading systems in Taiwan don’t support that so publisher may not be will to use WAI-ARIA features

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): and after that we will discuss at the PBG Asia/Japan friendly meeting the week after next

Murata Makoto: deprecate this attribute in 3.2
… is a suggestion
… I will join the US/European friendly conference as well

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): The minutes will be shared with everyone, but I will also share with the other co-chairs of the PBG
… Yanni commented that most reading systems in Taiwan don’t support that so most publishers might not be willing to support WAI-ARIA features
… I hear Yanni being on the same ground as Makoto-san
… Anybody else have any other comments, then I will bring it to PBG co-chairs and to the US/European friendly conference call

Karen Myers: +1

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): any other comments or questions in general?
… Ok, then action items from this meeting

Action #1: define application of PBG meeting at TPAC with co-chairs and come back to all of you (Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平))

Action #2: start EPUBFundraising actions (Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni))

Action #3: discuss EPUB3.2 with PBG co-chairs and steering committee how to promote EPUB3.2 publicly, before summit in Paris (Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平))

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I think that’s what we discussed
… any other actions or thoughts?

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): I am sorry to be late
… next time I will be quicker to set up the call
… thank you everybody

Shinya Takami: Thank you

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): let’s adjourn the meeting

Yu-Wei Chang (Yanni): thank you and bye

Karen Myers: [adjourned]

6. Action Items