Publishing Business Group Telco — Minutes
Date: 2020-02-04
See also the Agenda and the IRC Log
Attendees
Present: Wendy Reid, Wolfgang Schindler, Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, George Kerscher, Luc Audrain, Cristina Mussinelli, Jeff Jaffe, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平), Ralph Swick, Avneesh Singh, Garth Conboy, Laurent Le Meur, Julie Blair
Regrets: Bill Kasdorf, Tzviya Siegman
Guests:
Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley
Scribe(s): Jeff Jaffe, Ralph Swick
Content:
1. Epubcheck fundraising
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: George?
George Kerscher: Apple has donated $20K
… great news
Luc Audrain: Great news
… invite sent
… waiting for the money
… anxious for their logo
… helps for now
… still need $15K
… pushing in Europe and Asia
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Pursuing in Japan and Taiwan
… for Taiwan pursuing @@@
… TDPF will donate $2K
… going through election period
… will also unlock budget
… consider funding as well
… assume $5K or so from Taiwan
… also pursuing from Japanese Members and outside
… I reached out to others with Iishan
… hope to pursue remaining $10K from Japan
… BillK, Yoshi-san will reach out with email to global community
Luc Audrain: Still waiting for Europe/France
… small company figured 1 cent per epubcheck
… that would yield much money
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Great thought about the math
Wendy Reid: Korea?, China?, India?, Singapore… any outreach?
… weren’t they at TPAC summit?
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Outside of Japan and Taiwan - no reps in PBG
… please provide other contacts so we can reach out
… BillK will reach out as well
George Kerscher: With Korea, epub is national standard
… they put forward to ISO
… Dr. Ho presented at our publishing conference a few years ago
… I’ll take action to contact him
… Pearson is a Full Member
… I have a good contact - Jonathan Thurston (?) and also check with AC rep
… I’ll make the pitch.
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Thanks George. Congratulations about Apple
Ivan Herman: AC rep for Pearson David Stroup, we was at several WG meetings
2. Survey
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Dave and I have a really good draft
… we will use Survey Monkey to distribution
… Brian from BISG will allow us to use his instance
… find out later today
… initial distribution to SC to test
… then publishing @w3C later this week
… then into next week
… 2 Q’s
… 1. Asking what is the most important thing to learn?
… 2. How do we get beyond publishing @ w3c community
Wendy Reid: #eproduction hash tag on twitter will reach the people we want
… also epub3 CG mailing list
Luc Audrain: +1 to EPUB3 CG mailing list
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Publishing @w3C already includes the CG
Jeff Jaffe: What about publishers associations
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: That is for international outreach
Wolfgang Schindler: maybe also national publishers’ and booksellers’ associations such as Boersenverein des deutschen Buchhandels
Wolfgang Schindler: e.g. AKEP on Frankfurt book fair
Luc Audrain: Yes - associations on each continent
… but more generic, less digital
Wolfgang Schindler: they might have WG on digital products
Luc Audrain: national organizations
… Editeur, London book fair
… external task force has list of structures to contact
Cristina Mussinelli: We can handle in Italy
… active people we know
George Kerscher: I’m on higher ed lists
… accessibility related
… if this group agrees, I can post there
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Very helpful…survey has section on educators
… what about professional publications
Cristina Mussinelli: STM publishers
Luc Audrain: For professional publishing - conference like XML Prague
… Dave?
Dave Cramer: I don’t know the audience
Wolfgang Schindler: XML Prague has its focus on XML experts, but many of them come from publishers
Wolfgang Schindler: including STM
Ralph Swick: Jeff: there are some newsletters and magazines that would be good to publish short articles
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Great suggestion. We should look at getting this written up in other places.
Garth Conboy: Perhaps: https://lunch.publishersmarketplace.com/
Cristina Mussinelli: National organizations as well
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: There is also the second question - the most important thing to learn
… Thanks, Garth for the link
Luc Audrain: A blog post at W3C
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Also a great idea
Cristina Mussinelli: https://www.publishersweekly.com
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: I can reach out to Publishers weekly
Cristina Mussinelli: https://publishingperspectives.com
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Again, most important thing to learn from survey?
Jeff Jaffe: Roadmap
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Survey is epub heavy
… address professional publishing marketplace
Dave Cramer: I don’t know what Idk.
… hope to be surprised
… validation or repudiation
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: +1 to Dave
… widen the circle
… learn what we don’t know
… collect names of people who want to be involved
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Today I joined in to WoT and Media and Entertainment
… I will reach out to them and to Immersive
… interest in publishing arena
Luc Audrain: Agree with Dave about learning what we don’t know
… that requires reaching out to those we don’t usually reach
… external channels most important
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: When I looked at questions this morning I saw we had nothing for Audio. Should we add?
Ivan Herman: I hope to get feedback on what the community wants from the web
… how epub relates to the web
… not technical html stuff, but
… role of digital books on the web
Avneesh Singh: Agree with Ivan
… we are seeking inputs from external community, at the same time we should also get views of W3C community beyond publishing groups.
… they may have some good inputs, or they may have grievances, that would be good to learn as well
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: response to Ivan
… we have some Q’s for education and professional about tying in to the web
… but may need special section on how pubs relate to web as a whole
Ivan Herman: +1 to liisamk
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: I’ll send out suggested questions
… Audio?
Wendy Reid: In audiobooks process we’ve learned that they are different people than epub people
… finding them is a problem
… not much carryover
… so I’m not concerned about not having audio questions
… don’t need longer survey
Dave Cramer: What Wendy said
… focus should be epub
… don’t need to add audiobooks
3. PBG Co-Chair search
Luc Audrain: I am retiring in April
… long preparation
… discussing with my colleagues; co-chairs
… looking for Europe
… I believe I have found someone
… Cristina accepted to propose her candidacy
Cristina Mussinelli: Thank you for proposing me
… pleasure
… important to have someone from Europe
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): +1 to Cristina candidacy!
Cristina Mussinelli: new legislation for accessibility
… standard for epub
… I’ve been involved for a long time: IDPF, W3C
… know Liisa and Daihei for a long time
Dave Cramer: “This group chooses their Chair(s) and can replace the Chair(s) at any time using whatever means they prefer.”
Dave Cramer: from https://www.w3.org/2017/02/PublishingBGcharter
Dave Cramer: For the record
… the group chooses the chair
… Cristina an excellent choice
… but up to the group
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Yes, we are opening candidacy
Luc Audrain: Yes, a proposal
… chairs have discussed
… are proposing one person
… not closed
… will not step down right now
… will work until end of March
… parallel person
… interesting to have a decision now
… Cristina can gather information
… my replacement should be aware of conversations
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We need to open candidacy through email
Luc Audrain: Right
Jeff Jaffe: New AC rep for Hachette?
Luc Audrain: Being discussed
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We need worldwide representation
… also build beyond US/Europe/Asia
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Process-wise, should send out email
… two weeks later; PBG call US/Asia
… before SC on 24 Feb should finalize
… what is the process prior to that?
Luc Audrain: I propose we do things simply
… 1. Anyone can propose a candidate
… a mail sent today or tomorrow to open candidacy
… mention Cristina as a candidate
… open for a week
… if no other candidate we consider Cristina is the only candidate
… accepted if no objection
… resolution during a call - next call in two weeks (US/Asia) has not many people
… build specific call possibly
… maybe simpler by mail
… should tell Cristina ASAP
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): +1 to Luc
Luc Audrain: we can have such a resolution
… any objections?
Jeff Jaffe: +1
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: +1
Luc Audrain: +1
Wendy Reid: +1
Ivan Herman: +1
Dave Cramer: +1
Laurent Le Meur: +1
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): +1
Wolfgang Schindler: +1
Garth Conboy: +1
Ralph Swick: +1
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We are agreed.
George Kerscher: +1
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Thanks Cristina
… and Luc
… for your outreach and service
… you will be with us until the end
… we will have time to celebrate
Cristina Mussinelli: Want to thank Luc
… process fine with me
… any final decision fine with me
4. PBG Goals
Cristina Mussinelli: last US/Europe call before SC
… end of February
… anything in particular as input to planning meeting
Wendy Reid: Attendance has not been great on the calls
… we should learn why people have stepped away
… might want to pose question to the group
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Fine suggestions
Jeff Jaffe: building on Wendy’s question, looking at today’s agenda a lot is internal-related things
… discussion of our internal community
… the agenda doesn’t include actions about how to make epub more successful
… people had talked about learning from the survey how to grow the group
… I offer a theory that getting us focussed on the business of EPUB a bit better would be useful
George Kerscher: Epub in higher ed working group
… I have 48 people on the list
… we discuss webinars, we develop Q&A bot, very vibrant exciting group
… developing publisher faceoff for accessibility at CSUN
… completely different from this group
… implementation, adoption
… very effective
… focuses on one subsegment
Luc Audrain: I’m concerned that we don’t include EDRlab enough
… important part of community
… created with initiate from Pierre Danet
… Laurent is an editor of LPF
… particularly digital publishing summit
Dave Cramer: Could you describe more how we “don’t include EDRlab enough”
… we’ve gone to the conference
… we work with Laurent all the time
… he’s welcome to participate
… what else should we do?
… participating is individuals and companies joining up
Luc Audrain: On topic of organizing conferences
… not just individuals
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: follow-up on co-chair search email
… follow-up on mailing list about “goals”
Avneesh Singh: We have reduced the number of calls in favor of having more task forces
… but not a lot of task forces
Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Thanks Liisa
Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Thanks for time today
Jeff Jaffe: [adjourned]