Publishing Steering Committee Telco — Minutes

Date: 2018-05-04

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: George Kerscher, Tzviya Siegman, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Rachel Comerford, Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Rick Johnson, Bill Kasdorf, Garth Conboy

Regrets: Luc Audrain, Jun-ichi Yoshii, Bill McCoy

Guests:

Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley

Scribe(s): Garth Conboy

Content:

1. ebupcheck RFP draft

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Some comments have been made.
… More work?
… Luc has suggested some updates
… Luc asked who will do evaluation and what will be the criteria

Rick Johnson: is there a link to the epubcheck RFP draft?

Ivan Herman: can’t provide draft terms draft terms

Tzviya Siegman: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g8Jt7M-at7Wa7vPI8G_hKMC6wsIr7ikR9Rq68FAXy0Q/edit?usp=sharing

Tzviya Siegman: will reach out to Wendy re possible draft term; perhaps in Berlin.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: do we need more folks to evaluate the RPF?

Rachel Comerford: Garth: I think this group can evaluate and when it’s done the PBG can see it to get more interest

Garth Conboy: I think this group vetting RPF is good; should be shared with BG — perhaps leads will come from there.

Tzviya Siegman: Romain should look at RPF… perhaps conflict of interest if DAISY bidding… but should be okay anyhow.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: who’s this agreement really between, and we need to finalize funding handling.
… W3M doesn’t want staff to solicit funds.

Tzviya Siegman: call w/ Ralph; W3M won’t do fundraising, but will host platform for said collection.
… Bill or Jeff maybe to set up, but not fundraise themselves.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: I will propose such a structure.

George Kerscher: Great that W3C will be catcher for funds; but, how much overhead does this cost? Better not be 52%!

Ivan Herman: Veronica should be involved with money stuff.
… discuss cost reduction.

George Kerscher: is Web Foundation an option too?

Ivan Herman: WF is pretty darn separate.

Garth Conboy: EDRLab possible?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: could be an issue if they are bidding?
… Thus, W3C could be better.

Tzviya Siegman: need to see if there really is overhead.

Ivan Herman: Veronica could answer that.

Ivan Herman: if I get specific questions around this, I can likely chase down answers (from Veronica, et al).

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: will get questions organized, George will review.

2. Manga Tokyo workshop

Ivan Herman: no update; has been some discussions… Bill, Florian, Luc, Makoto, et al.
… nothing fresh to update.

Ivan Herman: See also BillM’s mail

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: good topic for that meeting as it’s APAC-ish timezone

Tzviya Siegman: +1 to dauwhe

David: nervous that this might create funky spec that nobody will implement

Garth Conboy: +1

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: what if there is a 3.2+ recommendation out of this?

David: if requirements come up should come to CG, hopefully with lots of implantation interest

Ivan Herman: Workshop is just that, not a spec development effort
… CG can decide what if anything to do with any requirements.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: we’ll see what the update Tuesday yields

3. Kobo’s review of WP

Ivan Herman: survey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/att-0033/Wep_Pub_feedback.pdf

Tzviya Siegman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/0033.html

Ivan Herman: Interesting. Unclear who’s providing the data.

Tzviya Siegman: only 40% were following WP work
… lots of EPUB 2 still

Rick: not that many responses (only 10).

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Could be indicative of wider PR campaign for WP efforts. But, not ready to do that yet.

Ivan Herman: +1 to Liisa

Ivan Herman: Good that Kobo did it, and could/should be done again after more PR.

Bill: BISG can do this sort of stuff too.

Rick: if we were to do this (mostly edu), we’d get mostly “this is why we hired you”.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: unclear what the target (level in org) this went to. Hard to find the person to answer this sort of stuff.

4. epubtest.org

George Kerscher: Last week on BISG call… no solid solid plans for mainstream (non A11y) testing.
… got okay to bifurcate mainstream and A11Y
… DAISY can move forward on A11Y
… for EPUB 3.2 testing (if any) likely within W3C, not epubtest.org
… DAISY would archive of mainstream pieces (of epubtest.org) for A11Y focus
… issue of domain and hosting
… could move to DAISY
… Need consensus on what’s the story.

Bill Kasdorf: Remainder that BISG hasn’t done hosting/development work — role was support only
… Technical aspects of mainstream testing belong with W3C
… timing is a concern… W3C will be aways out
… Agrees with George (as Brian @ BISG). Bifurcation okay for now. Where (if anywhere) does mainstream go for now.

Geroge: this is one asset to be transferred to W3C. That’s still in legal limbo.

Rick: BISG: mainstream testing is pretty dead/stale.
… process is broken

Dave: from CG’s perspective… will need tests for spec (3.2), should be on W3C

Bill Kasdorf: +1. BISG should promote facilitation, not technical stuff

Ivan Herman: What does it entail moving to W3C?

Geroge: DB was created for folks running tests… moved from original grid.

Rick Johnson: general assumption for moving this is that W3C needs to have a version of https://caniuse.com/ for EPUB…. is that a valid assumption?

Geroge: the A11Y side is getting updated

Bill Kasdorf: nobody administering mainstream piece. DB still exists.

Garth Conboy: But is very stale.

Rachel Comerford: Could this be merged into best practices in CG?

Garth Conboy: Utility of mainstream RS testing has long past

Dave: Best practices are a better direction.

Garth Conboy: EPUB spec testing is a different animal that could/should get done in the W3C

Ivan Herman: The W3C system team is small and restrictive — not lots of resources for likes of maintaining of issues, data, best practices. Be real! :-)

Dave: kill mainstream, maybe keep tests for future work.

Rachel Comerford: +1 to not moving the database but grabbing some of the tests, etc

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Like Rick’s “caniuse” for EPUB (above)

Bill Kasdorf: can DAISY keep hosting the A11Y and pull plug on mainstream?

George Kerscher: yes
… need to deal with domain ownership
… could move to DAISY

Ivan Herman: That’s the least of the problems. Can’ make commitment to use of system team resources.

Garth Conboy: Plan: mainstream stuff to be archived snd shut down; DAISY to move ahead with A11Y stuff; W3C/CG has already grabbed tests.

Bill Kasdorf: need to run by Brian at BISG
… should be proposal, not yet plan, until Brian buys in.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Outta time!
… other agenda items for Tuesday APAC-time call.

Garth Conboy: Happy birthday Liisa!

Tzviya Siegman: :)

Resolution #1: Liisa *must have a happy birthday.*

5. Resolutions