Publishing Chairs’ Telco — Minutes

Date: 2019-08-23

See also the Agenda and the IRC Log

Attendees

Present: George Kerscher, Luc Audrain, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Avneesh Singh, Wendy Reid, Ivan Herman, Rachel Comerford, Bill Kasdorf, Garth Conboy, Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平), Mateus Teixeira

Regrets: Dave Cramer, Jeff Jaffe, Matt Garrish

Guests:

Chair: Luc Audrain

Scribe(s): George Kerscher, Luc Audrain

Content:

1. EPUBCheck

2. Status of EPUBCheck

Luc Audrain: We had status call with Romain. Develop is going on and imporant items going on.
… more efforts to raise money.In September we need to launch
… We still need about $50k.
… Payment to DAISY at the end of this month. If no objection, we will proceed.
… Any objections?

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: +1 to sending the $

Wendy Reid: +1

Ivan Herman: +1

Mateus Teixeira: +1

Resolution #1: pay DAISY.

Luc Audrain: Please read the document Romain prepared.

Bill Kasdorf: +1

Luc Audrain: We will prepare new communications to go out associated with fund raising for EPUBCheck.

Garth Conboy: sounds good, no other comments.

3. Plan for PBG calls

Luc Audrain: proposed to have two calls a month, one every two weeks.
… Skip August 27

Luc Audrain: Skip 27th

Luc Audrain: European/Us on September 3rd

Luc Audrain: Asian/US on 17th cancelled

Luc Audrain: European/Us on September 24rd

Luc Audrain: Asian/US on October

Luc Audrain: September 3 will be EU and NA
… Asian on September 24. and then on two week schedule.
… We need to let Garth know so he will send the calendar invite out.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Feedback meeting schedule and the agenda does not give them time to address properly.
… Github will be used to put topics out there and have discussions in small groups and and on github.Github.

Luc Audrain: PBG Github repo: https://github.com/w3c/publ-bg

Ivan Herman: there is the wiki as well.

George Kerscher: the topics proposed in the PBG will be added to he github
… Process will be to create a Github topic for discussion and then it will be posted to the list with a link to the Github wiki.

4. Further strategy discussion.

Wendy Reid: good things happening in the EPUB 3 CG call.
… PBG has not had a discussion.
… Our discussions are dependent on the various group discussions. I am concerned that we do not get the feedback from these groups.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: If we have been asking and they do not come forward with ideas, what do we do?
… Do people want anything huge?

Wendy Reid: Why does it need to be huge? What is wrong with small improvements?
… The working group will do what the community wants us to do.

Garth Conboy: It is positive that we are not being asked to do big things.

George Kerscher: If EPUB 3 is fine, then we carry on.

Mateus Teixeira: +1 wendyreid, garth

Garth Conboy: If the community decides it needs to go rec track, then fine.
… However, if we are fine the way we are then fine too.

Bill Kasdorf: The community we have is from book.
… There are other groups that are not necessarily represented.
… There are all kinds of things that could be done that are not represented in our group.
… Trade is in good shape.
… The WG is not able to get input from sectors where work could be done.

Avneesh Singh: The strategy document can be improved, but we need feedback first.
… Bill is right in getting greater feedback.

George Kerscher: There are players beyond the book world.

Avneesh Singh: A good task force from the BG and the WG and other groups who we can reach out to other publishing sectors.

Mateus Teixeira: +1 avneesh

Avneesh Singh: Outreach on behalf of PBG and WG.

Luc Audrain: the status of the document is a question.
… There are parking lot items and we need to discuss these items.

George Kerscher: PBG and PWG would do outreach
… their confort zone
… LMS, STM, …
… Is that correct ?

Avneesh Singh: The PWG that needs to gather input. Outside our comfort zone.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: How exactly will the joint taske force is different from the SC?
… Is this a problem because we do not have a champion.

Avneesh Singh: If we had a person with high level marketing and connections in many areas of the large publishing community.
… The SC is the same people and we need to decide if the SC will take this up or a different task force.

Luc Audrain: The EPUB 3 CG is having a rich conversation, and there is good outreach taking place. this CG has more than 250 people. This is a great place for input.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: The strategy document that the PBG would promote requires more discussion in the SC.

Bill Kasdorf: Agree with Luc that EPUB 3 CG is great. But that is about EPUB. What about complex publications that are not EPUB 3?

Avneesh Singh: About EPUB 3 going to rec track, we do not need to make the decision soon.

Ivan Herman: +1 to Avneesh

Avneesh Singh: After the CG decides what it wants to do we could after that.

Wendy Reid: agree with Avneesh.
… Regarding the outreach to new people.
… People have been tracking what the WP was doing, but we could do ourtreach to others.
… Business out reach is not Wendy’s area of expertise.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: The movement that the CG takes should drive what happens . The PBG can bring business requirements to the CG to include.
… We have had difficulty with doing outreach to non members.

5. Amazon

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: We should be careful, because they have been interested, but then nothing emerges.

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Will Amazon people be included in the TPAC meetings?

Wendy Reid: R and W reached out. One person is going and email will go out to develop the hour long agenda item. So working on it.

6. implementation challenges

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: A author is very interested in accessibility.

George Kerscher: T… here is a black hole where things work here, but not there.

George Kerscher: the index issue tested with Kindle format was not standard and revealed interesting problems
… plenty other area to test other techniques and build best practices
… survey of the developers on Math, will be published anonymously
… will ask publishers about developing best practices
… testing implementations is a great idea

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: in DAISY KB about endnote, not working in all systems
… suggestion from DAISY to reformat the book, helped to convince people to do differently
… but tough as not native testing for us

George Kerscher: get chunks of books for testing that would be great
… especially when it is big

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: many small pieces kills the RS but too huge doc also
… how van we facilitate more this kind of discussion
… anything else?
… anything else?

7. Resolutions