Publishing Chairs’ Telco — Minutes

Date: 2020-01-24

Attendees

Present: Tzviya Siegman, Dave Cramer, George Kerscher, Liisa McCloy-Kelley, Avneesh Singh, Jeff Jaffe, Wendy Reid, Bill Kasdorf, Ralph Swick, Ivan Herman, Garth Conboy, Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平)

Regrets: Luc Audrain

Guests:

Chair: Liisa McCloy-Kelley

Scribe(s): George Kerscher

1. Survey

Ralph Swick: See EPUB Survey Draft

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Survey up for discussion.
… What is the most accessible tool and how do we want to deploy?

Avneesh Singh: We in DAISY are using Survey monkey. If you keep it simple, it works fine.

Tzviya Siegman: is Survey Monkey free? what about Google forms?

Avneesh Singh: I think i was successful once, and I am able to test it.

Bill Kasdorf: Survey Monkey web site says there is a free option.

Wendy Reid: https://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/individual/details/

Ivan Herman: Problem with Google anything is it may be blocked in China.

Wendy Reid: Survey Monkey’s free version is too limiting?

Garth Conboy: Can we hit up DAISY?

George Kerscher: DAISY could do it, but it is a question of Dave’s time.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: If PRH can do it, it would not be a done on Dave Gunn from DAISY’s time.

Garth Conboy: action item for Liisa with George as a fallback.

Jeff Jaffe: WBS is available.

Tzviya Siegman: Survey Monkey is more user friendly.

Ralph Swick: I will ask our com team if W3C might have a survey monkey account or if we want one. I will report back.

2. F2F preparation

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: F2F and what we need to do in prep.

Tzviya Siegman: See Goals and motivations for EPUB and Publishing

Tzviya Siegman: See F2F Agenda

Tzviya Siegman: The Goals document has at the bottom there is a motivation and key drivers. Please fill in this section.
… include your name so we can talk about this intelligently. Meeting is one month from today.

George Kerscher: .. suggestion to add a shorthand note to the document.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Chairs discuss want is working and what is not. Can your groups have that discussion in the next two weeks?

Tzviya Siegman: I have been thinking about it, but we should think about it before we discuss.
… Item just added. Is that a driver for EPUB or the publishing community.

Ivan Herman: There is a technical aspect and a community aspect.

Tzviya Siegman: I explained that one item with linking aligns with the web and expanding the community. It brings in parts of publishing that is not part of EPUB.

Jeff Jaffe: Clarification please.
… Did you want us to start putting down our ideas for each group?

Tzviya Siegman: For now get your ideas down and we do not that much detail. We don’t need to figure out what group it belongs to now.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: Is business a separate driver?

George Kerscher: .. What I put in was what would drive sales, and it is also a good reader experience and expanding the business.

Daihei Shiohama (塩濱大平): Expand of the whole, which could be a key driver.
… Discuss with WG and CG such many different areas entertainment etc. that are interested in what publishing community.
… The IG could be could be very interesting to publishing. There are over all we should expand the community to many different areas.

Avneesh Singh: Drivers broad or specific. We need to find a balance
… Of course we want to expand the business, but how what means can we do that. We need specific examples of what that direction is taken.
… We have the same need when talking about integration with the web, but what exactly do we mean by this.
… We can refine the document as we move forward.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: The key drivers feels like our drivers and not necessarily the community we serve.
… We want something a better reading experience that would help the community. It does not help membership.

Avneesh Singh: The community question is a good one. The survey will help us get their perspective. It is true that it is our perspective. It will be improved by the survey.

Tzviya Siegman: This is our drivers, but it is our knowledge of the industry. The survey will improve the document.
… I don’t care who will be working on these things right now; this can wait.
… For example Liisa has great know of trade.

Liisa McCloy-Kelley: should we pull out or move what Jeff has been working on.

Jeff Jaffe: I have been adding things. The suggestion is to shift Jeff’s part to the bottom.
… Anything else?

3. Update on EPUB 3 Charter

Garth Conboy: See Draft charter

Dave Cramer: We have been working on it and there are a lot of comments in the draft charter. We have had robust discussion around goals and the future of EPUB.
… a lot of rewording to do based on the comments.
… The survey will be very important, and the REC track question is important.

Ivan Herman: We should EPUB 3 group and leave out community group and it may or may not lead to a working group.

Dave Cramer: It is currently being worked in the CG, and it could go either way to a CG or a WG.
… Other questions on this?

Ivan Herman: What is the view of the evolution of EPUB in terms of updates?
… I have in the back of my mind how the HTML development is going.

Avneesh Singh: This is a tough questions because of the dependencies, EPUBCheck and Reading system. It is difficult because we have the whole ecosystem to move.

Dave Cramer: I agree with Avneesh, that we have a mature spec where backward compatability is important. We don’t know what concensis there would be in from the community.

Tzviya Siegman: f Many of the people in our community is framiliar with W3C process.

Garth Conboy: “EPUB 3.next will be strongly backward-compatible with EPUB 3.2. ”

Garth Conboy: I think an effort is going on to figure out the future of EPUB.
… Strongly backward compatible is an important aspect. There is a lot of opportunity to drive EPUB forward.

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Liisa McCloy-Kelley: It will be hard to get some of these things from a survey. People are looking at updating back lists. People wil need to realize to understand that need to touch their backlist title.

Ivan Herman: We need to understand what the community wants and expects. We have to have a clear view view and understand what the community wants. We don’t another 3.1 situation.

Tzviya Siegman: +1 to dauwhe

Wendy Reid: +1

dave: Web developers think of developing HTML and not a specific version. Maintaining compatability of EPUBWe need to bring the spec up without breaking anything.

Ivan Herman: Can we get this idea in the charter, in the scope right up front.